Next Step - Advice about research in Dublin please

[HarrisonHart]

I have found a new bit of info on my GGgrandfather which seems to narrow down his place of birth and residence aged c19.

I am wondering if someone could guide me as to what to do next to try to find a record of his birth? 

His name is Abraham Harrison, born c1810, probably St Andrews, Dublin.  He seems to have entered the army (and by army I am assuming the person whom I got the info from means the East India Company private military) in 1828, in St Michaels, Dublin.

Armed with these 2 new facts (St Andrews, Dublin; St Michaels, Dublin) I am hoping I can find some evidence of him or his father (Probably Samuel Harrison, smaller chance his name is William Harrison) in Dublin.  Could someone give me some tips on furthering my search please?

I know much about my great great grandfather, from aged c30 (work, 2 x marriages, 12 x kids in Madras, India, followed by returning to Ireland, marrying again, and dying in Athlone) until his death aged c74.  But nothing about his first 30 years except someone else saying a researcher found the following:

L/MIL/11/10: Solidiers' Records: Abraham Harrison entered the Army in
1828 from St. Michael's Dublin. He arrived on the Malcolm in 1828. He
was a store sergeant on 2nd March and Effective Supernumerary in June
(unfortunately the records do not give the year, or had been erased).

L/MIL/9/100: Embarkation Lists: Abraham Harrison was a clerk, born in St. Andrews,
Dublin. Attested 18th March 1828 in Dublin, aged 19.

I've contacted the British Library for copies of these records, no reply as yet.
I am in Australia and am not sure where St Andrews and St Michaels are/were in 1810-1830 and where to search there-in.

Full Disclosure - I've asked and received help with this ancestor in the past (thank you) and within this thread you can find links to all previous discussion: http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=707584.0
And all I am looking for help with is his birth and first 30 years between c1810 and c1840.
 

[hallmark]

You don't have facts.. just clues.   "born c1810, probably St Andrews, Dublin." is a probable, not a fact.  Possibly Baptized at St Andrews or whatever... entered the Army in 1828 from St. Michael's Dublin but he could have been living anywhere.

Until you get the records you're better off not muddying the waters....

[iluleah]

You will need to look at the parish records to see if you can find a baptism record, there are no birth records in 1810
http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/fuses/rcparishmaps/index.cfm?fuseaction=showlikerecords&parish=Dublin&citycounty=Dublin%20city

[HarrisonHart]

You don't have facts.. just clues.   "born c1810, probably St Andrews, Dublin." is a probable, not a fact.  Possibly Baptized at St Andrews or whatever... entered the Army in 1828 from St. Michael's Dublin but he could have been living anywhere.

Until you get the records you're better off not muddying the waters....

Apologies, clues.  The L/MIL series is where his records would be expected to be found, and a distant cousin (2nd cousin once removed) is who has recorded the info I put in a quote bubble.  So I find it reliable and am hopeful only to get more info myself from the records.  The reason he was born c1810 is because most records only give his age at the time, none give a date of birth.  His age remains stable over his life, only altering by 1 yr.  (with one understandable exception).

You will need to look at the parish records to see if you can find a baptism record, there are no birth records in 1810
http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/fuses/rcparishmaps/index.cfm?fuseaction=showlikerecords&parish=Dublin&citycounty=Dublin%20city

Thank you. I've looked here and even though it says ancestry should have some records - I am having no luck.  I've also tried another link from this site and had some better luck finding some names that fit, at least, but not quite the right dates - so maybe descendants of my family members via a sibling of Abrahams.

[iluleah]

It isn't very easy when you are relying on the internet my advice would be email the church directly and ask, they have copies of the PRs

http://www.nationalarchives.ie/genealogy1/genealogy-records/parish-records-marriage-licences/ gives you information where parish records are kept and /or find your local LSD centre and ask them to order the fiche/film of the particular parish records, which you can then research where you are

[HarrisonHart]

I've managed to do everything so far via the internet and then ordering certificates.  But there had to come a point where the internet powers ran dry, I guess!  Thank you so much for your helpful replies.

[HarrisonHart]

Here is the reply from the British Library:

I have searched our military records and there is no record of service for Abraham Harrison but he does appear in one or two other files.

I found him in the Register of Madras Army European Soldiers Ref. IOR/L/MIL/11/101, 1786 - 1839 for the surnames between A - K.

The registers give details of enlisted men, including casualties, in a roughly alphabetical arrangment in date order of arrival in Madras. These were complied at East India HOuse withinformation mainly from the Muster Rolls, IOR L/MIL/11/109 - 69. 

It gives a little more information to add to what you already have? It is correct he entered service as a private for an unlimited contract in 1828 from St. Michael's Dublin, and that he arrived on the Malcolm in 1828. It appears he became a store sergeant on 2nd March 1848 and Effective Supernumerary, (Non Commissioned Officer) in June 1855.

In one of the columns it states the following: 26th April 1872 arrived in England, placed on Pension list here.

I also found him on in the Lord Clive Military Fund Pension Registers & Payment Books - admissions in UK, Ref IOR/L/AG/23/2/66. Here it gives his rank - Store Sergeant, the date he was admitted into the pension = 29th April 1872 in England but from 20th March 1872. It also says 'was admitted in Madras first June 1855'? His pension is 2/- shillings but it does not say if that is a week or what???

The entry also mentions his reason for leaving - Time expired and to pension, his residence - Summers Street., Dublin and that the pension is to commence May 1st 1872.

I also looked at the Madras Army Ruster Rolls for 1828 Ref. IOR/L/Mil/11/135 and it confirms pretty much what you already know with the only other bit of info being that he arrived in India Septemeber 19th 1828.

 

I checked the Embarkation list Ref. IOR/L/MIL/9/100 and it confirms his occupation before joining was a clerk, thathe born in St. Andrews, Dublin, and attested 18th March 1828 in Dublin, aged 19.

I hope all this helps.

Yours sincerely,


John Chignoli

Reference Specialist
British Library
Asia, Pacific and Africa Collections, Reference Services

[HarrisonHart]

As a result of the above information (which narrowed down his age and when he returned to Ireland), I found my GG grandfather Abraham, with my G grandfather and one of his siblings, in a workhouse in Dublin, for about 6 weeks in 1872.  The address was written as 6 Common Street Union (thinking Union refers to the address being a Union Workhouse?). 

[pet50ite]

Hi HarrisonHart,

I've quickly searched Irish genealogy ie for your ancestor and couldn't find him (only a death with the same name in 1907. The good news is that there will be all the Irish church records being released gradually from the summer onwards online. The details have been mentioned on a thread on rootschat. Sorry I've not included a link as I just "dipped in" this morning before dashing off to work