Marriage

[Throth]

We can send you a copy of the 1855 birth certificate as a jpeg. which seems to be the source of your relative's information.

Just contact us through the Borenich.co.uk web-site

As for the marriage entry (if it exists), you may need to get someone to search though the film rolls for that parish.  Or is it parishes?  Jamesfield is pretty close to the Fife / Perthshire boundary.

Both Lyall and Patullo are not unusual names in the Dundee  area.

Throth (www.borenich.co.uk)

[Rosinish]

Hi Suzy,

Did you use the "Soundex" choice for surname Lyall as there are many variations 

Annie

[Rosinish]

All born to William Lyall & Mary Milne

Elisabeth Lyall
13 September 1855
LONGFORGAN, PERTH, SCOTLAND      

Mary Ann Lyall
1 December 1857
KILSPINDIE, PERTH, SCOTLAND

John Lyall
5 December 1859
DUNDEE, ANGUS, SCOTLAND   

Charles Smith Lyall
11 December 1861
MONIFIETH, ANGUS, SCOTLAND   

Annie

[Rosinish]

These with surname "Liol"       
Name:   James Liol

Gender:   Male
Christening Date:   10 Aug 1851
Christening Place:   KINNAIRD BY ERROL,PERTH,SCOTLAND
Birth Date:   25 Jul 1851
Father's Name:   William Liol
Mother's Name:   Mary Milne


Name:   William Liol

Gender:   Male
Christening Date:   09 Oct 1853
Christening Place:   KINNAIRD BY ERROL,PERTH,SCOTLAND
Birth Date:   09 Sep 1853
Father's Name:   William Liol
Mother's Name:   Mary Milne

Annie

[Suzy W]

Yes all sorts of names including Syall, Lyle etc. 
Thanks Throth I will have a little look at that web site.  Certainly many of the records were found by a relation while visiting Scotland many years ago. 
A little sad as this man never had children and died two years ago, I have no idea on who or whom got all his papers and photo's.  I must try and find out, a great loss if thrown in a skip, so much history was in his house.

Yes ammack that is the children of William and Mary.  not too certain where the Smith comes into the naming, Milne is via Mary's side, John her brother, Charles is after Mary's grandfather, Elisabeth Mary's mother, so they certainly used the Scottish naming system.  Yes I did come across Liol last week, boy how that name gets muddled

Suzy W

[Throth]

Sorry, you misunderstood.  There is nothing on the Borenich web-site which would be of use, except our contact e-mail if you want the birth certificate sent as an attachment.

Mary Milne was born at St Madoes, so Kinnaird is getting close.

Throth

[andycand]

Hi

The OPRs on Scotlandspeople are the registers for the Church of Scotland, and the CPRs are the registers for the Catholic Church but there are other denominations such as the Episcopal Church (Anglican Church in Scotland), the United Presbyterian Church, and after 1843, the Free Church of Scotland. These registers, apart from a handful on Familysearch.org, are not online. You also have to keep in mind Scotland recognised Irregular Marriages.

It might be worth downloading the various post 1855 chldrens birth registrations to see if date and place of marriage is consistent. It is not unknown for the information to be false particularly for couples who move around.

Andy

[Throth]

Unfortunately only the 1855 births recorded where the parents were married.

As the children were all baptised in the parish churches one would expect the marriage to be likewise.

Throth

[andycand]

Unfortunately only the 1855 births recorded where the parents were married.

As the children were all baptised in the parish churches one would expect the marriage to be likewise.

Throth

Whilst 1856 to 1860 births don't have parents marriage details births from 1861 onwards do.

Andy