Cordwainers of Steventon

[LizzieL]

I have just come across some records on Ancestry which should fit into my tree but I can't see how.

Three people apprenticed to Thomas Elton cordwainer of Steventon
Frans Bristow 1748
John Owen 1760
Thomas Elliff 1774

Apprenticed to Richard Elton Cordwainer of Steventon
Henry Sutton 1753

London Clandestine marriage record
Robert Elton cordwainer of Steventon Berks married Ann Cawsley 19 Apr 1742

It looks as if Thomas, Richard and Robert are the same generation and born about 1720 ish to fit with marriage and taking on apprentices.
I have a lot of relatives living in Stevenage as Eltham / Eltam/ Eltom / Elton etc, but I can't find any that fit these three.
The nearest are Thomas bapt 1713, Richard bapt 1715, but no brother Robert. They seem a little old, particularly if Thomas took on his third apprentice in 1774.
Coincidentally their parents are Robert and Ann, who I've never found a marriage for. From baptism of first child I assumed it would be about 1704. But I suppose it is possible they lived together and raised a family as husband and wife for many years until free to marry in 1742.
Any ideas anyone?

[ribbo39]

Hi LizzieL,
Coincidentally their parents are Robert and Ann, who I've never found a marriage for. From baptism of first child I assumed it would be about 1704.

How about this marriage in Steventon;
11-9-1704 Robert Eltam
                Ann Gidon
No other info given on OXF-ABO3 Cd from OFHS

Alan

[LizzieL]

Thank you that would fit perfectly, couldn't find on Ancestry, FindMyPast or Familysearch.

So I wonder which Robert married in London.

Added
I'm even more sure that marriage is right.
Robert and Ann called their first daughter Phyllis, so I looked for an Ann with mother Phyllis born in Berkshire between 1675 and 1690 and Ann Guidon bapt Steventon 5 Dec 1682 came up. Father was Richard. Robert and Ann called their third son Richard. I had a burial for an Ann Eltham on 19 Jan 1769, age at death would give birth year abt 1683.

[ribbo39]

Hi Liz,

Apart from Ann Guidon's bapt that you already have, there are 3 other children I have found in Steventon;
8-12-1673 Phillis Guiden d/o Richard & Phillis
29-9-1679 Mary Guidon d/o        "            "
9-7-1687   Richard  "      s/o       "             "

Burials;
30-5-1726 Phillis Guidon
25-4-1723 Richard  "

Sorry to say I couldn't find Richard & Phillis's  marriage in Steventon.

Alan

[LizzieL]

London Clandestine marriage record
Robert Elton cordwainer of Steventon Berks married Ann Cawsley 19 Apr 1742

I'm just revisiting this one and downloading the relevant images because either didn't do it earlier or they got lost when old laptop died last year - and I've got a bit of a puzzle - there seem to be two sets of images.

The one I found originally is a neatly written record with two lines for each marriage and seems to be referred to as Gibsons register.
But then I found a marriage on the same day but now saying Richard Elton and only giving the surname of the bride. This is a smaller book with only two or three marriages per page. This is referred to as Fleet notebook.

Am I right in assuming this is the same event? Which would be the original record and which the copy?  I would have thought the Richard record was original as it gives status of bride and groom and plave of marriage (at Boyers?), but it omits bride's forename.
I cannot find a Robert who is a bachelor of the right age to marry in 1742, but I have a likely Richard.
Any ideas anyone?

[ribbo39]

Hi Liz,

I've just had another look in the Steventon transcripts and have found
a Robert ELTON bapt. 12-12-1708  s/o Robert & Anne. This couple married 11-9-1704 and his name is listed as ELTAM. (as per my previous message #2).   Just for info, there also a Robert Elton bapt. 24-6-1753 s/o John & Jane.

If this is the right Robert, he would only be aged 34 at time of marriage.

Having said that there is a Richard Elton bapt. 3-12-1715 s/o Robert & Anne.

There is a burial for Robert Elton 11-9-1730 s/o Robert. There is also a burial for a Robert Elton 10-10-1741 with no further details.

Just a thought - could it be a 2nd marriage for Robert/Richard -  if Anne died I  presume in London.

I'm afraid it doesn't clear the situation much for you.

Alan

[LizzieL]

Thank you for that, I had the baptism on 12 Dec 1708 as a John. But then I had another John in 1717 and could find no burial for the earlier John. Robert 1708 could make pieces fall in place a bit better. The two Robert burials need some working out.