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Derby Cantrills
« on: Saturday 02 May 15 23:21 BST (UK) »
Hi :)

My gg grandfather Gurney Patmore married Sarah Cantrill from Derby, daughter of hotel / pub owner Henry Cantrill in a double wedding with Sarah's sister Caroline who married Thomas? Cox.

The Cantrill family had the Saracen's Head in St James Lane and the Royal Hotel.

After the marriage in 1859, Gurney and Sarah emigrated to Melbourne Australia where he was editor on the Argus having been editor of the Derby Mercury.

They had five children then returned and had one more.  Gurney was in ill health and they spent time in Salford and Essex, aided by Gurney's brother Coventry a poet.

We know loads about the Patmores but my real question is does anyone know or are they related to the Cantrill side of the family? 

I know it was a large family and I have a few entries from the Mercury online.

Also, are there any old photo's of the hotels or pubs and do they still exist?

I'd love to swap stories with anyone.

Best wishes

Emms :)
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Re: Derby Cantrills
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 03 May 15 07:56 BST (UK) »
You asked if they still existed - this one is in Victoria Street, so is it the same one?

http://directory.thesun.co.uk/13784193

Take a google map walk down the street?

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St James's Lane does not exist in Derby.
Possibly renamed St James's Street

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Re: Derby Cantrills
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 03 May 15 20:47 BST (UK) »
Hi,

From the Census:-

1841  Nags Head Inn, St. Peters Street Derby
1851  Kings Head, Corn Market, Derby
1861 Henry deceased, Wife Elizabeth at Royal Hotel, Corn Market, Derby

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Re: Derby Cantrills
« Reply #3 on: Monday 04 May 15 00:09 BST (UK) »
Thank you Spendlove

I have actually seen some of the census but I'm between flats and don't have all my stuff so that's great to see.  I'll have a look at the originals from what you've given me.

I actually have both marriage certificates - with about six witnesses each!  Slight dramatic touch among our Patmores!  Also Caroline's birth certificate - Sarah was too old.  Some of the family moved to Salford and Gurney and Sarah spent time there when they returned from Australia.

Thank you again.

Best wishes

Emms :)
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Re: Derby Cantrills
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 30 May 15 07:01 BST (UK) »
Hi Emms

I am researching information on Gurney Patmore for a book on Australian bookcollectors, he sold his fine collection in Melbourne in 1864. Grateful fort your asistance and I can pass on anything I have found.

Thanks and regards

Gary Kent
Canberra, Australia

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Re: Derby Cantrills
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 31 May 15 14:14 BST (UK) »
If this link works (?), it should lead to a photo of the Royal Hotel

http://www.picturethepast.org.uk/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;DRBY006670&pos=1&action=zoom&id=35935

If not, go to www.picturethepast.org.uk and in the search box put Royal Hotel, and then select Derby for the place. Then repeat for Kings Head, where Mrs Cantrill is mentioned.  Can't see anything for the Nags Head.
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Re: Derby Cantrills
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 04 June 15 18:28 BST (UK) »
Hi Both

Sorry I'm just getting back to your two fascinating replies.  There've been a few diversions here!

Getting back to you individually.

Best wihes

Emms  :)
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Re: Derby Cantrills
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 04 June 15 18:33 BST (UK) »
Gary

This sounds a fascinating venture!

Yes, Gurney had his library auctioned when he returned home to raise funds.  Not sure where you're up to with your research or what you need but I'll send you a pm

best wishes

Emms  :)
Hoey : Louth, Dublin, Lancashire,
Diggle: Pendleton Lancashire,
Stickley: Dorset, Lancashire
Bockmann, Boedemann etc Artist, Europe and London

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« Reply #8 on: Thursday 04 June 15 18:38 BST (UK) »
Small Town Girl,

Thank you.

I really enjoyed looking at those photo's and had a good look around the  site including another photo of the Royal.  I'll be looking at the site again too.

Thank you again.

Best wishes

Emms   :)

Hoey : Louth, Dublin, Lancashire,
Diggle: Pendleton Lancashire,
Stickley: Dorset, Lancashire
Bockmann, Boedemann etc Artist, Europe and London

English Merchants in Brazil and Portugal especially Carruthers family

1st Battalion Connaught rangers WW1

Website:  Look  out for new website coming soon to replace Fells and Seas