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Mary Ann Guthrie ancestors
« on: Monday 04 May 15 01:51 BST (UK) »
Mary Ann Guthrie married William Spence (b 31 May 1789 Holm & Paplay, Orkney - d 11 Jun 1825)
I have no details on her at all.
Was she possibly related to Jean/Jane Guthrie (b abt 1805 Shapinsay who married William's brother James Maxwell Spence (b 1803 Orkney Islands)? My information on Jean/Jane doesn't show a Mary Ann Guthrie, so I have no information on her at all.
Anything that anyone knows/finds would be greatfully appreciated.

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Re: Mary Ann Guthrie ancestors
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 05 May 15 14:01 BST (UK) »
Do you have the names of Mary Ann Guthrie and William Spence's children? They might give some clues for her parents' names.


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Re: Mary Ann Guthrie ancestors
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 05 May 15 15:23 BST (UK) »
These are her children with William Spence
Mary Spence
1816
William Spence
1818
Christopher Spence
1820
E Spence
1821
Archibald Spence
1823
John Spence
1825

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Re: Mary Ann Guthrie ancestors
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 05 May 15 17:07 BST (UK) »
I have both Guthrie/Spence in my line and I did come across a tree having James Maxwell Spence m Margaret Guthrie b 1805 daughter of David Guthrie and Margaret Williamson.  I cannot attest to its accuracy but note the author has her death in Australia in 1897 and perhaps this is where her parents were listed.  I also checked some the family trees with the Orkney Family History Society which basically confirm the above but no mention of this Guthrie's siblings.

I have the following children in your line, but no Christopher.  The only Christopher I have b 1820 belonged to William Spence/Katherine Harvey so I would like to know where you found yours.

13/09/1816   SPENCE   MARY   WM. SPENCE/MARY GUTHRIE
18/12/1818   SPENCE   WILLIAM   WM. SPENCE/MARGT. GUTHRIE
10/11/1821   SPENCE   EUPHEMIA   WM. SPENCE/MARY GUTHRIE
12/03/1823   SPENCE   ARCHD   WM. SPENCE/MARY GUTHRIE
11/06/1825   SPENCE   JO   WM. SPENCE/MARY GUTHRIE

Not sure if you have Mary Ann's 1815 marriage bann, but the witnesses were Helen Spence and Mary Guthrie.  This Mary could be her mother or possibly a cousin which might offer you more clues.

And, finally the only 3 Mary's on record as being born between 1760-1800.

16/01/1790   GUTHERIE   MARY   WILLIAM GUTHERIE/ISABEL MOWAT   KIRKWALL   /ORKNEY   021/00 0030 0070
11/11/1794   GUTHERIE   MARY   DAVID GUTHERIE/JEAN MICHAL   SHAPINSAY/ORKNEY   028/00 0010 0165
20/11/1773   GUTHRIE   MARY   EDWARD GUTHRIE/ELISA. FOTHERINGHAM SANDAY (LADY CROSS AND BURNESS)/ORKNEY   026/00 0020 0052

HTH
Don

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Re: Mary Ann Guthrie ancestors
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 05 May 15 17:13 BST (UK) »
Thanks Don, I'll look into it when I get a chance.
Karen

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Re: Mary Ann Guthrie ancestors
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 06 May 15 01:51 BST (UK) »
I got Christopher's connection from the 1871 Scotland Census where he was listed as a brother with Mary and William Spence. Have I got the wrong people?  :-\

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Re: Mary Ann Guthrie ancestors
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 04 June 15 17:10 BST (UK) »
Mary Ann Guthrie married William Spence (b 31 May 1789 Holm & Paplay, Orkney - d 11 Jun 1825)
I have no details on her at all.
Was she possibly related to Jean/Jane Guthrie (b abt 1805 Shapinsay who married William's brother James Maxwell Spence (b 1803 Orkney Islands)? My information on Jean/Jane doesn't show a Mary Ann Guthrie, so I have no information on her at all.
Anything that anyone knows/finds would be greatfully appreciated.


Hi Yarratt

i was looking on Google doing some dabbling to find some earlier history of my family tree that starts at William Spence b.31 may 1789 Holm & Paplay Orkney Scotland and says he died 22 Apr 1862 in Grebreck Holm Orkney and was married to Mary Ann Guthrie 14 Dec 1815 kirkwall & ST Ola Orkney Scotland and says she was born circa 1794 shapinsay Orkney and says died circa 1840 Orkney Scotland if this can help oh and it has the children also but no Christoper
SPENCE   MARY   
SPENCE   WILLIAM   
SPENCE   EUPHEMIA   
SPENCE   ARCHIBALD
SPENCE   JOHN
and a CHARLES SPENCE

TSPENCE




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Re: Mary Ann Guthrie ancestors
« Reply #7 on: Friday 05 June 15 06:05 BST (UK) »
Hi TSPENCE

Thanks for the info.
William Spence b. 31/5/1789 was my 3rd great grandfather. So if he's your ancestor too, then we are related.
I have added Mary Ann's birth and death info. This helps a lot, thanks.
I don't have any record of a Charles. Do you have a date of birth?

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Re: Mary Ann Guthrie ancestors
« Reply #8 on: Friday 05 June 15 06:10 BST (UK) »
Don,
Euphemia also married a Christopher Spence, so maybe the Census meant him when listing as a brother.
Either that or I totally have the wrong people and the Census doesn't belong to them at all.
Thanks for your input, it was helpful.
I'm going to look into which of the 3 Marys might be mine. I'm leaning towards the middle one.