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Mean and butty sheep in 1696!
« on: Saturday 09 May 15 03:06 BST (UK) »
Does this really say ‘meane or butty sheep….?!  ;D

“I give & Bequeath unto my son Thomas Brough all my part of sheep which are meane or Butty betwixt my son Edmund Brough & I for being my other executor………”

Poor old Thomas!  :D
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Re: Mean and butty sheep in 1696!
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 09 May 15 04:00 BST (UK) »
Does the writer always shorten 'which' to 'wh'?   

Or does the 'wh' you are reading as which, actually go with the next letters - (which I still can't read.  e.g. whatever  - it isn't that I don't think but just as an example.)

Looks like butty - or bully - tricky writing isn't it.  I don't suppose it could mean with lamb/pregnant could it? 

Also the Edmund Brough and I - doesn't make sense - does it??   He can't leave it to himself if he's dead.   

Sorry not much help - but interested.

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Re: Mean and butty sheep in 1696!
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 09 May 15 04:53 BST (UK) »
If nutty were bully it could be Rams!  And if nutty were nutty it could still be Rams?😄.

Not much help, but I did try!

That looks like the start of a nonsense poem!

The betwixt EDMUND and I bit, Could that mean that he and Edmund had joint ownership of.xxx and he was leaving Edmund his share?

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Re: Mean and butty sheep in 1696!
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 09 May 15 05:16 BST (UK) »
Perhaps the writer is giving his son Thomas Brough his part of sheep wh? are meane

an butty that are owned between Edmund and the writer and then Edmund's part of the

sheep Edmund gets to keep (assumption!)

It would perhaps be clearer with a larger snip :-\

Just a thought

Joy

PS  Probably too simplistic but I wonder is it just means that the sheep were mean and prone

to butting...some sheep are mean and will butt at the first chance they get :D
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Re: Mean and butty sheep in 1696!
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 09 May 15 05:47 BST (UK) »
A thought

would the butty be a bothy which is a small shelter on a farm?

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Re: Mean and butty sheep in 1696!
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 09 May 15 07:25 BST (UK) »
From text found on the web, its seems that "Butty-sheep" relates to Rams.

"When I began to take an active part in matters there, however, wolves were scarce,
and nearly all of the settlers kept a few sheep. Our flock ran out in the woods in summer,
except one old ram with long twisted horns and blind. His proper run was in the orchard.
He was always loaded and listening for a fight, and in order to satisfy his belligerency,
I used to prod him with a long pole through the bars. He would face in that direction,
back away twenty or thirty feet, turn on the "high speed", and strike the bars with force
enough to give him a beautiful tumble. People said that made him worse and that I ought
not to do it, but I didn't see as he could be made worse, for no one dared make a noise
around him. He had a good ear yet and lots of energy. I would sometimes slip, barefooted,
close to him, spring on his back, and grab his horns for a ride. Of course, these rides were
bareback, and for endurance, it was about fifty-fifty between me and the ram. But my
cup of joy was not without a taste of bitter. A small playmate one day patted the ram on
the head when I was not watching and received a blow on the forehead that came
nearly being fatal. I feared I was responsible, and I was very sorry. My little friend
"Web' Hill" got well, but afterward shied clear of the "Butty-sheep."


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Re: Mean and butty sheep in 1696!
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 09 May 15 07:57 BST (UK) »
Thanks everyone.
love the story flattybasher.

Joyful - I too had taken it to be sheep that 'butted' a lot!
But I just love the way he terms them 'mean' sheep.  ;)
And that was what I had thought too - they're talking about the sheep owned between Edmund and the writer (his father). The father is of course still alive at the time of writing his will! and he's just trying to identify said sheep.

Sheep are not mentioned again in the will, and unfortunately it doesn't say how many he has in the inventory.

Made me laugh though!  ;)

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Re: Mean and butty sheep in 1696!
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 09 May 15 08:47 BST (UK) »
The writing is very clear, if a little old in style.

"meane and butty" is what it says. The question is - what does it mean?!

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Re: Mean and butty sheep in 1696!
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 09 May 15 08:54 BST (UK) »
I think it means it's mean, and it butts!  (So beware of the mean butter)!

Jeanne  ;D
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