LAWTONs and REDFERNs from Staffordshire

[chr1st1an]

Hi Pheno!

Yes, as you say, it's interesting... I've been thinking about it and maybe it could have been that way.
But Rebecca didn't change her surname to Lawton since we know that she married Thomas Redfern as Rebecca Stonier.

Ok, then where is Rebecca Stonier in 1871???
She must be around 13 years old, but I cannot locate her.

And Dinah doesn't help to find her, since maybe she was the same Dinah Lawton, who died in MAR 1866 (34 years old) at Congleton district.

I have another question:
When a person is an illegitimate son or daughter, what do they fill-in in the marriage certificate when one has to state their father's name?

[Pheno]

It depends - sometimes nothing and it is left blank.

Sometimes they make something up to give the pretence of normality.

Sometimes they put the name of who they think is their father - maybe someone who has brought them up from a young age.

I think you might have trouble finding Rebecca's father as there won't be a census where the girls and their mother and father are a family unit but you might be lucky in tracing a baptism.

Maybe Thomas Stonier was Dinah's father?

Pheno

[chr1st1an]

I think I'm going to take a few days break and come back to it with fresh ideas...LOL

Kind regards.

[chr1st1an]

Well this is interesting.

In 1861 4 yr old Rebecca Stonier is a daughter of David Lawton (RG 9; Piece: 2613; Folio: 21; Page: 4)

 David Lawton  29   Coal Miner
 Dinah Lawton  28
 Jno Josh Lawton  11
 Amos Lawton  1/12
 Emily Stonier  6
 Rebecca Stonier  4

all born Wolstanton, Staffs apart from Amos Lawton born Odd Rode, Cheshire.

David Lawton married a Dinah Stanier on 10 Sept 1859.  David's father was Joel Lawton.  Her father was Thomas Stanier.

Pheno

Ok. Now an interesting question about son John Joseph or John J. (I'm not sure about 2nd name):
Was he born before they got married on Sept. 10, 1859 or after? 

1861 Census gives his age as 1 (born in 1860), but birth registries would indicate he was born in 1859!! 

[Pheno]

There is a baptism for a John Joseph Lawton on FindMyPast which states his baptism date as 2 November 1859 at St. Thomas, Mow Cop, with parents David & Dinah Lawton.

So baptised and probably born after the marriage but on the way before.

Pheno

[Pheno]

Also baptism for Rebecca Stanier at St. Thomas, Mow Cop on 27 December 1859 with only Dinah Stanier named as parent.

I think it highly likely that both Emily and Rebecca were illegitimate.

Pheno

[Pheno]

In 1871 Rebecca (tx as Stomer) is a scholar at the Certified Ragged Industrial School, Boughton in Cheshire. (RG10 Piece number  3723  Folio  73  Page  1).

Pheno

[chr1st1an]

Pheno,
I wish to congratulate you for such a magnificent research!!! 

All the questions are now solved, and the truth revealed.

Many thanks!

[Pheno]

Happy to have helped your research.  Pheno