LLanwinio Parish - BENYON and HUMPHRIES

[HLG]

New to researching Wales.  I was wondering if anyone could give input/advice or do a look up in these parish records for any with the surnames Beynon, or Humphries, especially in connection with one another.  Have a parish removal order from St Mary Shrewsbury for Eliza Beynon and her two sons to Llanwinio Caermarthenshire.  States they were returned back.  Eliza's mother was Jane (Hill) and her step-father was Henry Humphries.  Her birth father was Richard Beynon.  Hard to keep track of when these folks are findable in Shrewsbury or in Wales.

[osprey]

Welcome to Rootschat! 

There aren't any dates in your post so I hope I'm looking at the right family. I can see a marriage in St Julian's Shrewsbury in 1812 for Richard Beynon & Jane Hill, Richard was a widower. Eliza was baptised in St Mary's 6 Nov 1814 birth noted as 13 Oct & Richard was a tailor. I can see baptisms for Henry in 1835 & William in 1838, sons of Eliza. And the marriage in 1845 of Thomas Phillips & Eliza in St Mary's. Possible burial for Richard Beynon 5 Jan 1824 St Chad's, Shrewsbury

1841 census has the Beynons & the Humphries enumerated next to each other in Spring Gardens
St Mary's Shrewsbury HO107/927/10 folio 27 pg 10
Henry Humphreys 45 J Carpenter
Jane 50
Phoebe 15 flax spinner
Joseph 14 thread finisher?
Jane 10
Mary 8
William Beynon 25 flax preparer
Ann 25
Caroline 6
Jane 3
Eliza 25 flax spinner
Emma 20 flax spinner
Henry 6
William 3
Joseph 1
all born in county

I've not seen any link to Llanwinio as yet. What date was the removal order?

[osprey]

I'd had hopes of Jane's remarriage being in Llanwinio but she married Henry Humphreys in 1830 in Upton Magna in Shropshire.

 

[HLG]

Hello, yes, I did forget to put dates - so sorry.  Thank you for your kind reply.  You do have the correct family, and correct census.  Neither of the two removal orders I have show a specific date but they are both listed as "From 25th March, 1841, to 25th March, 1843."  One has a Shropshire Archives Ref No: P257/47/1, (the / in the centre may be a 1).  This is my husband's family line and the mystery is that people have varied opinions on who birth father's for Eliza's first three sons are.  These removal orders list only 2 sons, but she had 3 at that time.  My hunch is eldest was already in the care of grandparents/relatives, so she only requested aide for the 2 younger ones is my thought.  Appreciate your help.  Just thought that since we've searched, best we know how, Shrewsbury, then perhaps Wales was a clue - must be some reason they are being removed and returned, back and forth from wales.  Wondering if that was where birth dad may have been from!  Thanks again

[HLG]

Removal order dates actually 1841 - 1842 (not 1843).

[osprey]

I wonder if there was an attempt to remove the children & their mother to the parish of their father, but as they weren't married, Llanwinio, correctly, refused responsibility. Did they actually move back & forth, or was the removal in paperwork only?

[HLG]

Based on anything I've seen on census, birth, marriage, or death records, the entire family always show in Shrewsbury.  So yes, I'd say it was paperwork only as I have no indication otherwise.  That's why one day it hit me, and yes, I agree with you, the only conclusion I could come to was Dad was from there.  That Dad could have had the surname of Kite, Phillips, or Gwilliam though, not to mention absolutely none of the above.  His first name has been suspected of being William, Thomas or Charles. People wonder, but they just don't know.  Would a person be best to visit the area to research, or is there a website or family history society that I could search?

[osprey]

the archives in Carmarthen are closed for the time being

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/a?_ref=211

http://www.dyfedfhs.org.uk/cmn-sources.php

Parish Records may also be at the NLW

https://www.llgc.org.uk/

There is a Family History Society

http://www.dyfedfhs.org.uk/aboutdfhs.php

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CMN/Llanwinio/

[HLG]

Thanks so much!