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Re: Place name help, please
« Reply #27 on: Sunday 17 May 15 13:06 BST (UK) »
Apologies if I have misunderstood, but I wonder whether you might be assuming that the place names refer to villages?
It is most likely that they are the names of farms and houses scattered around the area - which going by the extract on Genuki is the parish of Llanerfyl.
 Eg Zoopla has details for a property named Cwm Derwen in Llanerfyl.
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« Reply #28 on: Sunday 17 May 15 14:09 BST (UK) »
If I have interpreted it correctly,the article related to Beulah Chapel,Llanerfyl with named people possibly travelling to Llanbrynmair(?).Certainly a number of the places referred to are relatively close together towards the bottom right corner of this map-Cwm derwen,Sychnant(as in Hugh Sychnant),Dol y gareg wen,with Beulah Chapel,I think,just off the current map(but can be found just using Llanerfyl as the search term).Still looking for the specific named properties but the area is full of "Esgair" containing names.

http://maps.nls.uk/view/102186980

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« Reply #29 on: Sunday 17 May 15 14:21 BST (UK) »
You mention that Abraham Brees names his birthplace as Carno. 
If you search the 1841 census for David Watkin at Carno, you will see that his address is Esgairgarreg.  This is in the township of Derlwyn, parish of Carno.
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« Reply #30 on: Sunday 17 May 15 15:35 BST (UK) »
Hi again

Good point, Galium, about settlements. I think I have somtimes mixed up M & C as villages, at least in my last post. I'll have a look at that census. My boy had got married in Guilsfield in 1829 and then farmed at Llanerchydol round Welshpool way
Middlesex: KING,  MUMFORD, COOK, ROUSE, GOODALL, BROWN
Oxford: MATTHEWS, MOSS
Kent: SPOONER, THOMAS, KILLICK, COLLINS
Cambs: PRIGG, LEACH
Hants: FOSTER
Montgomery: BREES
Surrey: REEVE


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« Reply #31 on: Sunday 17 May 15 15:37 BST (UK) »
Thanks, Roger

Another great map!
Middlesex: KING,  MUMFORD, COOK, ROUSE, GOODALL, BROWN
Oxford: MATTHEWS, MOSS
Kent: SPOONER, THOMAS, KILLICK, COLLINS
Cambs: PRIGG, LEACH
Hants: FOSTER
Montgomery: BREES
Surrey: REEVE

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« Reply #32 on: Sunday 17 May 15 16:03 BST (UK) »
Sparse Enumerator's route on that census, unfortunately

Parish of Carno
District of Derlwyn
Township



Middlesex: KING,  MUMFORD, COOK, ROUSE, GOODALL, BROWN
Oxford: MATTHEWS, MOSS
Kent: SPOONER, THOMAS, KILLICK, COLLINS
Cambs: PRIGG, LEACH
Hants: FOSTER
Montgomery: BREES
Surrey: REEVE

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« Reply #33 on: Sunday 17 May 15 16:31 BST (UK) »
I think I have found a place that may be Myrddyn Llwyd on a map to the east of a place called Sychnant.
The place is named Merddyn Llwyd - I think - but the map is a bit grey, so will need others eyes to see if it is correct. If so this would fit with (from the chapel article) Hugh from Suchnant and Susan from Merddyn Llwyd travelling from Llanbrynmair, as it certainly seems a possible journey?
http://www.visionofbritain.org.uk/maps/series?xCenter=3123351.48335&yCenter=2950470.01145&scale=63360&viewScale=181417.4208&mapLayer=nineteenth&subLayer=first_edition&title=Ordnance%20Survey%20and%20Ordnance%20Survey%20of%20Scotland%20First%20Series&download=true
To find it:
Centre on Llanbrynmair; scroll northeast past Escair Garnedd and you will see the name of the river Nant yr Eira running in words up the page side on; at the 'n' in nant -scroll slightly right to Sychnant and then slightly right again to what I think is Merddyn Llwyd/Myrddyn Llwyd

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Massey, Munkley, Powell, Thompson, Thurkettle

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« Reply #34 on: Sunday 17 May 15 17:14 BST (UK) »
It certainly looks a good find  to me

It also fits that there's a place call Cwm-derwen the other side of the river north of Dol-wagareen (sp) on the river.

I have so many map windows open I'm going mad!
Middlesex: KING,  MUMFORD, COOK, ROUSE, GOODALL, BROWN
Oxford: MATTHEWS, MOSS
Kent: SPOONER, THOMAS, KILLICK, COLLINS
Cambs: PRIGG, LEACH
Hants: FOSTER
Montgomery: BREES
Surrey: REEVE

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« Reply #35 on: Sunday 17 May 15 17:46 BST (UK) »
From the census found by Galium there's an entry 4 away from Escairgarreg which looks like Aberdinant and may be due west of Carno


http://www.rootschat.com/links/01fbk/

There's also Bryneithin 5 entries away which could be Bryneithinog
Middlesex: KING,  MUMFORD, COOK, ROUSE, GOODALL, BROWN
Oxford: MATTHEWS, MOSS
Kent: SPOONER, THOMAS, KILLICK, COLLINS
Cambs: PRIGG, LEACH
Hants: FOSTER
Montgomery: BREES
Surrey: REEVE