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Re: Wark "something" - farm near Simonburn
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 16 May 15 17:56 BST (UK) »
Thanks Josey

that puts it somewhere in a radius from Gofton Fieldhead... is looking like wild & woolly so far  :-[  ...will keep on scratching the map.
Norris / Andover, Poplar, Canning Town, Stratford
Hughes, Cooper, New  / Berkshire
Waugh, Lisle, Davison, Mole, Luke, Dodd / Northumberland
Walton / Cumberland, County Durham, Northumberland
Littlefair / County Durham, Northumberland
Morcumb, Pedler, Warne, Whitford, Arthur, Warmington, Sleap, Docton,Couche / Cornwall
Ross / Middlesex, Hertfordshire
Southgate / Essex
Tarrant/Hampshire

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Re: Wark "something" - farm near Simonburn
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 16 May 15 18:11 BST (UK) »
As it's on the Northumberland Farm Index it must be on an old map somewhere (I think the Index is based on the OS map from the 1860's)
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Re: Wark "something" - farm near Simonburn
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 17 May 15 15:32 BST (UK) »
This has a Broadpool Common aerial pic
http://ncap.org.uk/frame/8-1-10-1-38-79
sadly no grid reference....

The map for the above image places it SW of Wark, NW of Simonburn & a bit further west than the distance between Wark & Simonburn.

ADDED: Whoops - I see that's what you've said hatofthecat!! :-[
that puts it somewhere in a radius from Gofton Fieldhead...
Seeking: RC baptism Philip Murray Feb ish 1814 ? nr Chatham Kent.
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS,DUNEVAN Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Halifax & Pictou: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: Wark "something" - farm near Simonburn
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 17 May 15 15:39 BST (UK) »
Have found some marvellous place names on the map
BagmyLodge Wood
Barebreeches Wood
Threepit Hill....
Seeking: RC baptism Philip Murray Feb ish 1814 ? nr Chatham Kent.
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS,DUNEVAN Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Halifax & Pictou: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON


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Re: Wark "something" - farm near Simonburn
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 17 May 15 16:38 BST (UK) »
I scoured the 1860s maps and found nothing labelled as Wark Eals in the search zone.  I think the name must have gone out of use by time of detailed maps in 1860s.  However I'm now pretty sure where Wark Eals was :)

In the text of the link posted by JenB there's this passage:

"he became, on coming of age, the tenant of his father's small estate of Wark Eals on North Tyne. This property had been sold in 1663 (when wheat was allowed to be exported, if not above 48s. a quarter, at a duty of Ss. 4d. a quarter) for ;^22 3 : 5s. to a yeoman who kept it in his own hands for forty years. It was then sold for ;f 1000. In about 1772 it was again offered for sale; John Bates, then an old man, went to view it with his son George, and pluck-ing a stalk of clover wound it thrice round his hat. This evidence of the fertility of the soil so fixed itself in George's memory, that after it had been more than fourteen years in the market he bought it for ;£" 4000 in 1787, without having ever again been to inspect it Mr. Thomas Ridley, the owner of the adjoining allotment of Park End, had offered only ;^2 500, and said he would not have made any advance on this at the time of the commencement of Bates's tenancy in 1796.^ The property consisted partly of a considerable tract of haugh-land, which had once been a series of eals^ or islets, and was liable to be flooded, and partly of allotments on high-lying commons."

So location must be next to Park End which is extreme eastern end of Broadpool Common and also lie by the river and stretch westwards from there to the higher ground.  Having given up on the 1860s maps I dug out Armstrong's map of Northumberland 1769 (sheet 6)... and after a few moments looking found a place named Eals lying immediately to North of Park End (on 1769 map) by the river which fits the description in text above.  On this map (sheet 5) is also shown the Eals that survives on modern maps just south of Bellingham.  It would make perfect sense then for this Eals to have be known as Wark Eals to distinguish it from "Bellingham" Eals lying a few miles to its North.  Modern maps, & the 1860s ones, name the location of Wark Eals as Low Parkend, based on alignment with L(in/ynd)hurst and Thro(ugh)gate(s) to its West. This suggests the estate was perhaps acquired by the owners of Park End by mid 1800s and it was absorbed into their estate... just to confuse things the 1769 shown location of Park End when looked at on a modern 25k OS maps is now called Little/Low Parkside and Park End is to the North  ???... older maps can be a little creative in relative locations of places  ::)

Pete

Norris / Andover, Poplar, Canning Town, Stratford
Hughes, Cooper, New  / Berkshire
Waugh, Lisle, Davison, Mole, Luke, Dodd / Northumberland
Walton / Cumberland, County Durham, Northumberland
Littlefair / County Durham, Northumberland
Morcumb, Pedler, Warne, Whitford, Arthur, Warmington, Sleap, Docton,Couche / Cornwall
Ross / Middlesex, Hertfordshire
Southgate / Essex
Tarrant/Hampshire

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Re: Wark "something" - farm near Simonburn
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 17 May 15 16:41 BST (UK) »
http://communities.northumberland.gov.uk/007342FS.htm

Eels is shown on this map - right where you said it would be  :D

And on these as Eals
http://communities.northumberland.gov.uk/007117FS.htm
http://communities.northumberland.gov.uk/007483FS.htm

I'd completely forgotten what an excellent resource Northumberland Communities is.
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Re: Wark "something" - farm near Simonburn
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 17 May 15 16:43 BST (UK) »
Excellent JenB.  That map is closer to the time, 1804, that my 4x great grandfather was there too  8)

Pete
Norris / Andover, Poplar, Canning Town, Stratford
Hughes, Cooper, New  / Berkshire
Waugh, Lisle, Davison, Mole, Luke, Dodd / Northumberland
Walton / Cumberland, County Durham, Northumberland
Littlefair / County Durham, Northumberland
Morcumb, Pedler, Warne, Whitford, Arthur, Warmington, Sleap, Docton,Couche / Cornwall
Ross / Middlesex, Hertfordshire
Southgate / Essex
Tarrant/Hampshire

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Re: Wark "something" - farm near Simonburn
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 17 May 15 16:46 BST (UK) »
I see you've now modified your posting to include a map  ;D
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Re: Wark "something" - farm near Simonburn
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 17 May 15 16:52 BST (UK) »
On the 1861 census the sequence of enumeration is:

Slaterfield
Parkend
Low Parkend
Eels
High Parkend
Glenridley.

In 1871 it's
Linkearst
Through Gates
Eels Cottage
High Park End
Eels
Glen Ridley
Eels
Low Park End

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