Help me find James Cheetham.

[will-o-wisp]

Can anyone help me find my great great grandfather James Cheetham.  The only details I have for him are the very scant details taken from his son William's marriage entry.  William was married on the 7 November 1852 at All Saints Wigan, to Ann Porter.  William was age 20 and his address was given as Schofield Lane.  Ann's address was Warrington Lane and her father was William Porter, Watchmaker.  William's father was James, a collier.  I have tried to trace William (as I assume he would still have been living with his father up to his marriage) on both the 1841 and 1851 census returns, but have had no success.  Any help would be appreciated.

[lizdb]

Have you found William on the censuses AFTER his marriage, to find where he says he was born?
Then you can work back to censuses before the marriage with more accuracy.

Modified to add - I can see two possibles on 1861 census. What children did William and Ann have? That will lead to the right one.

[will-o-wisp]

On the 1861 census, he is living at Coal Pit Lane, Parr and his place of birth is given as Eccleston, Lancashire.  His children are:
Eleanor - 1853
Benjamin - 1854
William - 1856
Henry - 1858
Thomas - 1861.
On 1841 an 1851 census I have tried 'clicking' on other Cheethams in the hope that they might be William's brothers, but to no avail, they either don't have a brother William or if they do, he is not old enough to be my William, so still no luck in finding William's father James.

[..claire..]

Hi

Have found one that could be right

William Cheetham bapt. 3 June 1832 born 6 May, bapt. at the Wesleyan Chapel at Houghton Street Prescot.
Parents : JAMES and ELLEN.
No other info given but there were other baptisms which could be from the same family

JAMES bapt. 25 Mar 1827 Tontine St Wesleyan Chapel, St Helens, Lancashire, England
 Son of James Cheetham & Ellen
 Born: 24 Feb 1827
 Abode: Eccleston
 Occ: Collier

MARTHA bapt.  24 Jun 1829 Tontine St Wesleyan Chapel, St Helens, Lancashire, England
 Daughter of James Cheetham & Ellen (formerly Dearden)
 Born: 7 Jun 1829
 Abode: Eccleston
 Occ: Miner

ELIZABETH bapt. 31 May 1835 Prescot Wesleyan Chapel Houghton Street.
Born 2nd May
Parents: James and Ellen ( mother formerly DUERDEN)
Abode: Eccleston in the parish of Prescot
Occ. Coal miner.

ANN bapt. 7 Jan. 1825  Prescot Wesleyan Chapel Houghton Street.
Born: 13 Dec. 1824
Parents: James and Ellen ( mother formerly DUERDEN)
Abode: Eccleston

A James CHEETHAM of Rainford, bachelor collier, married Ellen DEARDON spinster, 17 April 1809 St Marys Prescot.
Witnesses: Ellen Pilkington and John Deardon

Possibly more children if this is the same couple.

claire

[..claire..]

More children of James and Ellen

Benjamin bapt. 7 Oct 1810 Wigan, Abode: Standish, father a miner.

John bapt. 1 Nov 1812 born 17 Oct. 1812, Abode: Rainford,

Alice bapt. 8 Oct 1815    born 18 Sept.,  Prescot. Abode: Rainford , father a collier

Mary bapt. 4 Jan 1818 Prescot, St Helens, Abode: Eccleston, father: Collier

claire

[..claire..]

Hi

In 1842 there is this marriage, another sibling, living in Schofield Lane, so they should be there 1851 perhaps.

13 Nov 1842 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
George Marsh 22, Collier, Bachelor, Schofield Lane
Margaret Cheetham  21, Spinster, Schofield Lane
 Groom's Father: Charles Marsh, Weaver
 Bride's Father: James Cheetham, Collier
 Witness: Thomas Chadwick and Frances McGrath.

MARGRET Cheetham bapt 26 May 1822 born 5 May 1822. At Tontine Wesleyan Chapel. Parents. James and Ellen.

claire

[will-o-wisp]

Thanks for all the info - I had checked out Margaret on the 1841 census, but unfortunately none of the ones I found appeared to be living with family at the time.

[..claire..]

Hi

I think the family may have been split up, look at this burial

Ellen Cheetham ~ 14 May 1837 All Saints, Rainford, Lancashire, England
 Age: 44 yrs
 Abode: Eccleston
 Note in R.H. Column: New ground No. 25, James Cheetham 2 breadths.

New marriage for father James, maybe. With young children a quick remarriage would make sense

24 Sep 1837 St Lukes, Farnworth (Widnes), Lancashire, England
James Cheetham  full age, Coal miner, Widower, Eccleston
Ellen Fairclough of full age, Widow, Sutton
 Groom's Father: Benjamin Cheetham ~ Engineer
 Bride's Father: Peter Hardman, Coal miner
 Witnesses: Ralph Platt and Mary Ann Hasleton.

Still not finding them in the census though, I can find Ellen Cheetham (2nd wife) born 1781 with children Peter ,Alice ,Thomas and Mary Ann, all children surnames Fairclough, in Standish. Ref: Class HO107, Piece: 527,  Book 13, Folio 26,  Page 12,  Line 15.

A marriage in 1848 for MARTHA CHEETHAM

21 Aug 1848 All Saints, Wigan, Lancashire, England
Joseph Henshall -  22, Barber, Bachelor, Wigan
Martha Cheetham -  21, Spinster, Wigan
Groom's Father: Thomas Henshall, Weaver
Bride's Father: James Cheetham, Dead
Witnesses: Peter Topping and Dorothy Topping.

And a possible burial for JAMES CHEETHAM in Shevington, Standish ( where 2nd wife Ellen is living in 1841)

16 Jun 1840 St Wilfrid, Standish, Lancashire, England
James Cheetham -
Age: 51 yrs
Abode: Shevington

claire

[..claire..]

I think Margaret Cheetham in 1841 is with brother John (25) and his family in Sims Yard, Wigan.
Class: HO107,  Piece: 523, Folio: 22,  Page: 36,  Line: 20.

claire