Poole family, Upton St Leonards

[rpoole]

Well done Victor, and many thanks.    I live in hope that some day Samuel's birth/baptism will crop up somewhere.   I will keep searching as new material seems to emerge with time.

Cheers,

Bob

[Victor Harvey]

Hi Bob,
I finally got round to the USL BTs and list my findings below.
Source: Glos Archives (GA) MF 620, USL 1771-1783
1771-1774 NO entries
19/02/1775, William, base born child of Ann BROWN bap.
13/10/1775, William s/o John & Mary POOL bap.
30/01/1775, William s/o Thomas & Mary BROWN bap.
1776 NO entries
1777 Almost unreadable
1778 NO entries
22/10/1779, William WHITALL & Ann BROWN married by Banns.
27/09/1779, Elizabeth, wife of Robert BROWN, bur.
1780-1783 NO entries
I think that this now takes care of your lookup request.
The following link may be useful:-
http://www.gloucestershire.gov.uk/archives/CHttpHandler.ashx?id=58232&p=0
Good hunting!
Victor

[rpoole]

Many thanks Victor. You have done well. It is a shame the records I need do not seem to have been entered.   Strange why William Pool, son of John and Mary, was baptized twice. Or at least 2 entries for his baptism on different dates.  The unreadable entry in 1777 is also a puzzle, as there were not supposed to have been any entries for that year (Nor for 1775 for that matter) and I believe the BT's are taken from the church entries.      But then again, the life of a Genie is full of mysteries 
Cheers, Bob

[Victor Harvey]

Hi Bob,
I also forgot to mention that I checked the Gloucestershire Wills for USL but found NO POOL/E wills.
Good hunting!
Victor

[rpoole]

Thanks
That about exhausts all avenues. I will mark the topic as completed.

Cheers,  Bob

[jamestulley]

Bob

Hope all is well. This is your very distant cousin James in Singapore. I will also keep looking into the Samuel family history. You are right Robert and Thomas were brothers, we both have the same Baptism records.

1. Thomas Pool and Sarah. I have struggled to find a marriage record for them and any baptism of the child that I believe they had. It is possible that Thomas was not in Upton St Leonards as he was quite 'busy' and there are plenty of marriage records of a Thomas to a Sarah across Glos including Bristol.

2. Mary Brown there are possible matches for Mary Brown in Bisley and Stround around the 1779/1780 mark which are possible - being only several miles from USL. Did you find the death / burial record for Mary (as Pool?) that would help to narrow the date of birth.

3. As for Samuel - like you we keep on looking. Though again there are bap records in stroud but not with very suitable dates.

[jamestulley]

Bob

I have been doing my own line of research on Samuel for a while but have been holding off on it, but let me share my thoughts and see what you think:

1. The Pool / Poole family are particularly concentrated in Stroud which is about 7 miles from USL.

2. I believe that it is possible Samuel was born in Stroud to 22 Mar 1776 to Samuel and Hannah. With the father's name of Samuel it is hopeful, plus 1776 isnt too far off 1779 (which is the DOB given by the burial record - at a time when DOB are notoriously vague).

3. His marriage was witnesses by William Frankis (1802)

4. I believe the Samuel also had a brother John (also born in Stroud to Samuel and Hannah bap 1782). I also believe that he also went to USL and married Ester Frankis in 1796 - who is the sister of William Frankis.

5. Indeed, there are many records that link the Pool and Frankis family including baptism / wedding records and electoral rolls of 1811.

Just a thought...



Also there are numerous Pools in Stroud which is about 7 miles from USL.

[Capetown]

From the Forest of Dean Family History records:

Gloucestershire Marriage Allegations 1747-1837 and Marriage Bonds

just a brief outline, full transcripts on their website

15 February 1772

John POOL aged 21, (c1751) Batchelor, Yeoman, residence: Upton St Leonards
Mary RODWAY aged 21, (c1751) Spinster, residence: Upton St Leonards
marriage by Licence, to marry at Upton St Leonards

29 February 1796

John POOL aged 22, (c1774) Batchelor, Yeoman, residence: Upton St Leonards
Esther FRANKIS aged 21 (c1775) Spinster, residence: Upton St Leonards
marriage by Licence, to marry at Upton St Leonards

21 October 1797

William POOLE aged 21 (c1776) Batchelor, Labourer, residence: Upton St Leonards
Hester FREEMAN aged 21 (c1776) Spinster, residence: Upton St Leonards
marriage by Licence, to marry at Upton Saint Leonards

25 July 1798

William SOULE aged 30 (c1768) Batchelor, Yeoman, residence: Parish of Handley Castle in the County of Worcester
Mary POOLE aged 30 (c1768) Widow residence: Upton St Leonards
marriage by Licence, to marry in the Parish Church of Upton St Leonards

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Gloucestershire Baptism Index Cd

Gloucestershire St Mary de Lobe, Barton St Mary

Eliza POOLE - 15 July 1827 - parents: Thomas (labourer) & Sarah

[rpoole]

Many thanks to James and Capetown.  I have come to the conclusion that the most likely scenario is that John Pool and Mary Rodway are the parents of Samuel Pool, my GGG Grandfather, who married Mary Brown.   I don't have Mary's death, so cannot verify her birth date.

It is unfortunate that there were no baptism's or burials recorded in the Upton St Leonards Church Register from 1774 to 1783.   

The "Eliza" born to Thomas and Sarah Poole, that Capetown posted, is a chance of being my GG Grandfather, Thomas Poole's child mentioned on his Convict Indent. 

Having said all this, there is still a chance that Samuel Pool and Ann/Hannah Churches nee Berry may be my Samuels parents. They are certainly most likely related at the very least.

Again, Thanks, these posts are very helpful.  I have found Rootschat to be a great asset.  Always people more than willing to assist.

Kind regards and Season's greetings   

Aussie Bob