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CRAWFORD James 1837 - 1918
« on: Tuesday 26 May 15 02:36 BST (UK) »
James Crawford born ca 1837 came to New Zealand ca 1860 (58 years in NZ) and died in 1918 at age 81.

He stated his parents were Angus Crawford and Mary Crawford nee Colville. In particular he stated he was from Johnson in Scotland. The only place I can find that would most likely fit is Johnston(e) which is west of Glasgow. Does anyone have any information to indicate if this would be the correct place or not?

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Jon
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Re: CRAWFORD James 1837 - 1918
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 26 May 15 12:34 BST (UK) »
Hi Jon

There is also the parish of Johnstone in Dumfries-shire

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/DFS/Johnstone/

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Re: CRAWFORD James 1837 - 1918
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 26 May 15 12:43 BST (UK) »
Having said that,  we like this 1841 Census a lot   ;D

http://www.freecen.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
1841 Abbey Paisley, Renfrewshire
Ref: Parish 559 | ED 19 | Folio 19 | Page 4
Address: Campbell St, Johnstone
James COLVILLE 70, Cotton Spinner - Y
Mrs CRAWFORD 27 - Y
Alex'r CRAWFORD 6 - Y
James CRAWFORD 4 - Y
Mathew CRAWFORD 2 - Y

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Re: CRAWFORD James 1837 - 1918
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 26 May 15 12:56 BST (UK) »
I would say it was most likely Johnstone Renfrewshire but I can't seem to find him on the census with these parent's ...There is also a Johnstone Dumfrieshire ,,Is that his burial 26/8/1918 Otago Dunedin ..Do you have any names of sibblings for James ?

You have answered my question Ambly  :D :D


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Re: CRAWFORD James 1837 - 1918
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 26 May 15 13:23 BST (UK) »
 :)

Just looking quickly - I can see likely a looking Alexander, James and Matthew in 1851 - but all in different households?  :(

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Re: CRAWFORD James 1837 - 1918
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 26 May 15 13:51 BST (UK) »
:)

Just looking quickly - I can see likely a looking Alexander, James and Matthew in 1851 - but all in different households?  :(

Came to that conclusion myself  ;D

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Re: CRAWFORD James 1837 - 1918
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 31 May 15 20:33 BST (UK) »
Hi, I have looked at various Scottish records and the only Angus Crawford I keep coming across lived in Perthshire with his wife Mary. I can find no record for a marriage of a Mary Colville to an Angus Crawford or vice versa. Angus is married to Mary but not Mary Colville. I know this is a bit out there but I wonder- Perth used to be known as St John's town or Johnston so could this be James' Johnson??? Kim

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Re: CRAWFORD James 1837 - 1918
« Reply #7 on: Monday 01 June 15 01:11 BST (UK) »
No possibility should ever be ruled out until proven otherwise so it's a possible as anything at this point….however, as far as I can ascertain the use of 'St Johnstoun' for Perth and variations of, fell out of common use in the mid-1600's - so I'd be inclined to think James's reference to his birthplace would not be referring to Perth?
(was 'Johnston' James' reference, made by himself - or was it the informant of his 1918 death in nz?)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perth,_Scotland

The OP's James CRAWFORD's birthplace could as easily be the Johnstone in Dumfries-shire as the Johnstone in Renfrewshire - except for the very strong likelihood that the 1841 Census in Renfrewshire is the correct one, seeing as there is the COLVILLE connection.

Being unable to find an Angus CRAWFORD with a Mary COLVILLE pre 1855, may be an indication they were non-conformist.

For the OP to advance, I would suggest first tracking down one of the two brothers on the 1841 Census family may be the way to go, for if you can find them marrying or dying post-1855 you can check to see if the parents were Angus CRAWFORD and Mary COLVILLE (and therein, if Mary remarried, perhaps even a re-married name).

To that end, this appears to be Alexander (ex-1841),  in 1851:

Address: Johnstone, Rankin St, Abbey Paisely, Renfrewshire
Ref: Parish 559  | ED 11 | Folio 472 Pg 25| HS 102
Head: James SPIEDY 47, Flax Dresser, b Falkirk   Stirlingshire
Wife: Jean SPIEDY 37, b Abbey Renfrewshire
Dau: Marg't  SPIEDY 15, Flax Mill Worker, b Denfermline, Fife
Son: George SPIEDY 4,   Flax Mill Worker, b Abbey Renfrewshire
Visitor: Alex'r CRAWFORD 16, unm, Flax Mill Worker, b Abbey Renfrewshire
Lodger: Elisabeth COLIKIN  17, unm, Flax Mill Worker, b Ireland
Lodger:  Ann COLIKIN 20, unm, Flax Mill Worker, b Ireland

Another source has transcribed the head surname as SPEEDY. (I doubt four year old George works in the mill, but I'd almost be prepared to take bets the two lodgers may be COLVILLE, though the other source also says COLIKIN).

I think this is little George:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTJJ-RBM
George SPEEDIE b 7 Jan 1847, Abbey Paisley, Renfrewshire
Parents: James SPEEDY and Jean COLVILLE, who married 1846:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XYWN-N9G

So I think Jean SPEEDY nee COLVILLE is related to, if not the sister of, Mary COLVILLE, wife of Angus CRAWFORD.

On proving it’s the right connection overall, advancing the COLVILLE side of things could be through obtaining the death record of Jean, Mrs SPEEDY. She, husband James and son George are all in 1861 together in Johnstone, Renfrewshire. So her death is post 1855 and therefore should hopefully have her parents name recorded on her death record.

Looking forward to seeing what Jon / SherlockBones makes of all this when he checks back in  :)

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Re: CRAWFORD James 1837 - 1918
« Reply #8 on: Monday 01 June 15 05:39 BST (UK) »
Hi Ambly, interesting. I wonder, if the family were non conformist, does that mean that there would not be birth,marriage & death records for them?? I ask, as having been able to find only one Angus Crawford, I am beginning to wonder if the informant may have the family info wrong. Scottish records are quite good generally but I did check quite far back and nothing.Also that a marriage doesn't appear either is odd. Kim