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Re: My 2nd great grandfather being born (1842) on ship in the port of Aberaeron
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 27 May 15 16:31 BST (UK) »
I saw that record as well. Not the right one.

Unfortunately, I have mined familysearch and ancestry.com for all I can. That is why I am reaching into Felinfach.

Looking for a detail or two form Church Records, something that I can pick up with and run.


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Re: My 2nd great grandfather being born (1842) on ship in the port of Aberaeron
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 27 May 15 17:15 BST (UK) »
I know you are wanting to find out more about the Welsh part of your family's history, but it helps if we know what records post emigration have to show.

If you are sure that the marriage you have is correct, then you also need to consider that your ancestor's name might be originally Evan Charles, even though other records give it only as Charles.

Elizabeth's d/c records that her parents were born in Germany, so this person in 1900 looks possible:

Urbana, Ohio

Elizabeth Evans b Sept 1842 Wid  born Ohio parents born Germany
Charles Evans  b Aug 1880 S born Indiana father born Canada (Welsh) mother born Ohio

I think the family are in Rushville, Indiana in 1880? Charles is aged 36 and says he was born in Wales.

Charles and Lizzie are in Ray, Franklin, Indiana in 1870, Charles is 28 and says he was born in Canada.

What makes you sure that the death certificate naming Charles' parents as David and Catherine is the wrong one, given that it matches the place where Charles and Lizzie married, and where Lizzie appears to be living in 1900?
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Re: My 2nd great grandfather being born (1842) on ship in the port of Aberaeron
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 27 May 15 17:44 BST (UK) »
I know because gen 5 to current is known family.

Yes Generation-5 gg-grandfather Charles Evan or Evan Charles was born in 1842 in Wales - albeit on the ship in the port as it was readying its leave from Aberaeron to Canada. No record of his birth exists in Wales, since it was likely recorded when the ship arrived in Canadian port. Technically, yes in Wales and Technically yes in Canada. That's why different records show either.

I am super confident with a great deal of primary documentation that the below from Great-Great-Grandfather Charles Evan Evans Married Elizabeth Meyers to current is correct - except for his birth location.


Generation-6 My Great Great Great Grandfather
Charles Evan Evans  (or Evan Charles Evans) m. Mary Thomas

Generation-5 My Great Great Grandfather
Charles Evan Evans (1842 - 1895) m. Elizabeth Evans (Meyers)
son of Charles Evan Evans

Generation-4 My Great Grandfather
Charles William Evans (1880 - 1957) m. Ella Evans (Turner)
son of Charles Evan Evans

Generation-3 My Grandfather
Howard Turner Evans (1903 - 1970) m. Edna Evans (Baumgartner)
son of Charles William Evans

Generation-2 My Father
Robert John Evans (1945 - ) m. Betty L. Evans (Bowers)
son of Howard Turner Evans

Generation-1 Me
Robert Todd Evans (1964 - )
son of Robert John Evans


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Re: My 2nd great grandfather being born (1842) on ship in the port of Aberaeron
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 27 May 15 18:04 BST (UK) »

Generation-6
Charles Evan Evans  (or Evan Charles Evans) m. Mary Thomas

Generation-5
Charles Evan Evans (1842 - 1895) m. Elizabeth Evans (Meyers)
son of Charles Evan Evans
   1868 Marriage Certificate lists Evan Charles and Lizzie Myers
   1870 Census Rey, Franklin, Indiana (Evans birth Canada, Myers birth Ohio)
   1880 Census Rushville, Rush, Indiana
o   Evans birth wales, his father birth wales, his mother birth wales
o   Myers birth ohio, her father birth Prussia, her mother birth hanover
   Evans death and burial 1842-1895 seen gravestone
   Meyers death and burial 1842-1937 seen gravestone
   Myers d/c show parents as William Meyers and Elizabeth both born in germany

Generation-4
Charles William Evans (1880 - 1957) m. Ella Evans (Turner)
son of Charles Evan Evans
   Born in 1880 in Rushville, Indiana (post the 1880 US Census)
   Marriage cert for Ella Turner and Charles William Evans
   Death certificate for evans showing elizabeth and Charles as parents

Generation-3
Howard Turner Evans (1903 - 1970) m. Edna Evans (Baumgartner)
son of Charles William Evans
   Have birth, marriage and death certificates

Generation-2
Robert John Evans (1945 - ) m. Betty L. Evans (Bowers)
son of Howard Turner Evans
   Have birth and marriage certificates

Generation-1
Robert Todd Evans (1964 - )
son of Robert John Evans

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Re: My 2nd great grandfather being born (1842) on ship in the port of Aberaeron
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 27 May 15 18:10 BST (UK) »
Are you absolutely certain the parents of Charles Evan 1842 are not David & Catherine as the record states his correct death date (21/01/1895) and place of Urbana, Champaign, Ohio?
Duroe, Duro, Durow, Derbyshire
Freegard, Freeguard, Wiltshire & South Wales
Hankey, Daresbury, Cheshire
Hopkins, Banbury, Oxfordshire
Malson, Newport, Monmouthshire
Wait, Yoxall, Staffordshire

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Re: My 2nd great grandfather being born (1842) on ship in the port of Aberaeron
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 27 May 15 20:00 BST (UK) »
That is an interesting record and does not present the death record that it indicates it is linked to.

So I'm not sure what that record is.  I have inquired to the Champaign county Library that holds the microfiche for a copy and I have requested any internment, plot or other records for Oakdale cemetery.

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=34185507
That is the correct link to the gravestone.

So while I am 99% sure that the record you found is wrong, I have reached out to verify that.  As soon as I find out, I will be back !

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Re: My 2nd great grandfather being born (1842) on ship in the port of Aberaeron
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 28 May 15 12:34 BST (UK) »

Living in the Felinfach area was my 3rd great grandfather, Charles Evan Evans and we believe he married a Mary Thomas. We are not sure when they married (before 1842)

My 2nd Great Grandfather also Charles Evan Evans was born (at least that is the lore) on ship in the port of Aberaeron.  Siblings may have been born in Wales John, Nell and Sally (before 1842).


What can you tell us about his siblings mentioned above
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Re: My 2nd great grandfather being born (1842) on ship in the port of Aberaeron
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 28 May 15 14:14 BST (UK) »
Charles Evan Evans died 31 JAN 1895.

This is his obituary from 21 FEB 1895

Urbana Citizen And Gazette And Champaign Republican
February 21, 1895 | Page 5

OBITUARY

CHARLES EVANS
MR. CHARLES EVANS, WHO DIED JANUARY 21, 1895, WAS BORN IN WALES IN 1842 AND
IN EARLY INFANCY EMIGRATED WITH HIS PARENTS TO AMERICA AND SETTLED IN
GRANVILLE. OHIO, WHERE HE SPENT HIS BOYHOOD DAYS. HE BECAME A CITIZEN OF
URBANA IN 1861. HE WAS MARRIED TO ELIZABETH MYERS, A NATIVE OF CINCINNATI IN
1868, REV. MR. TUTTLE, OF THE FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH, OF URBANA, BEING THE
OFFICIATING MINISTER. HE REMOVED TO RUSHVLLLE, IND., IN 1871, WHERE THREE
CHILDREN, ANNA, JOHN AND CHARLES, WERE BORN.

HE AGAIN REMOVED TO URBANA IN 1880 WHERE THE FAMILY HAVE SINCE RESIDED. OF
THE PARENT FAMILY, ON HIS SIDE, HE HAS A MOTHER LIVING IN URBANA WITH THE FAMILY
OF THE DECEASED, A BROTHER AND SISTER IN MICHIGAN, A BROTHER IN GRANVILLE, O.,
AND A SISTER, MRS. D. J. THOMAS, LIVING EAST OF URBANA. THIS IS THE FIRST BROKEN
LINK IN THE FAMILY CHAIN, AND NO SACRIFICE BEING TOO GREAT TO MAKE ONE FOR THE
OTHER, THAT BEING ESPECIALLY TRUE OF THE KIND HUSBAND AND FATHER, IT IS HARD TO
REALIZE HOW DEEPLY THE BEREAVED ONES MUST FEEL THEIR LOSS. BEING A GENTLEMAN
OF THE PUREST HABITS AND DOING UNTO ALL MEN AS HE WOULD WISH TO BE DONE BY,
OUR LOSS WILL BE REGRETTED BY ALL WHO KNEW HIM. THESE WORDS OF THE POET ARE
HIS FITTING EPITAPH: "AN HONEST MAN IS THE NOBLEST OF GOD."

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Charles Evan Evans m. Mary Thomas in Wales (supposition) before 1842 emigration

Children - not sure which were born in Wales / Canada / Ohio

Charles Evan Evans (1842-1895)
John Evans
Nell Evans
Sally Evans other ??
The obit above indicates 5 siblings and no mention of his father

John Evans is the son who lived in Granville (per the obit) and was a blacksmith and married to Cora and had a daughter Elizabeth.

Charles Evan Evans and Elizabeth Evans (Myers) also had a son John David Evans who moved from Urbana and lived in Granville - "Johnny" celebrated his 21st birthday in Granville (form an announcement in the Granville times)