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BRENNAN and BROWNE / BROWN in Enniscorthy, Co. Wexford in 1800's
« on: Friday 05 June 15 01:48 BST (UK) »
Is anyone researching BRENNAN, BROWN or BROWNE families in the Enniscorthy area?

My relatives John BRENNAN and Margaret BROWN / BROWNE were married at St Aidan's in 1865, and I have the civil record. Both fathers were named Thomas. Looking for more info on these families. I have looked extensively at Griffiths, and I am anxiously awaiting the release of RC records by NLI in July.

I recently emailed local expert Hugo Kelly, but I thought I would reach out to the list

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Re: BRENNAN and BROWNE / BROWN in Enniscorthy, Co. Wexford in 1800's
« Reply #1 on: Friday 05 June 15 07:30 BST (UK) »
Brennan is not that common, but not rare either. It would help if you could post the addresses and professions from the marriage registration.
BRENNANx2 Davidstown/Taghmon,Ballybrennan; COOPER St.Helens;CREAN Raheennaskeagh/Ballywalter;COSGRAVE Castlebridge?;CULLEN Lady's Island;CULLETON Forth Commons;CURRAN Hillbrook, Wic;DOYLE Clonee/Tombrack;FOX Knockbrandon; FURLONG Moortown;HAYESx2 Walsheslough/Wex;McGILL Litter;MORRIS Forth Commons;PIERCE Ladys Island;POTTS Bennettstown;REDMOND Gerry; ROCHEx2 Wex; ROCHFORD Ballysampson/Ballyhit;SHERIDAN Moneydurtlow; SINNOTT Wex;SMYTH Gerry/Oulart;WALSH Kilrane/Wex; WHITE Tagoat area

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Re: BRENNAN and BROWNE / BROWN in Enniscorthy, Co. Wexford in 1800's
« Reply #2 on: Friday 05 June 15 08:20 BST (UK) »
The surname Brennan is very plentiful around Castlecomer !
Castlecomer is a small town in Co Kilkenny.

So many that most families have nicknames.

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Re: BRENNAN and BROWNE / BROWN in Enniscorthy, Co. Wexford in 1800's
« Reply #3 on: Friday 05 June 15 08:39 BST (UK) »
You probably already have most of this information but just in case....

Marriage (1865) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGD6-PPQ

Mary (born 1866) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FR3X-Y6J
   (death Mary Brennan 1916 Chicago) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NQ2L-L2P
Catherine (born 1868) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F598-PXF
   (death Catherine Marie Gorman 1942 Chicago) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N3CN-ZKX
son (born 1879 Chicago) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NQTY-HB6
   (John T. died 1910 Cook Co.) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N7N1-3DX
Edward (born 1881 Chicago) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N792-TJ3
   (died1943 Chicago) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N34V-L4Z
son (born 1884 Chicago) https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NQ5T-HBC

Depending on exactly what sort of information you are looking for there might be more details in U.S. records.
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Re: BRENNAN and BROWNE / BROWN in Enniscorthy, Co. Wexford in 1800's
« Reply #4 on: Friday 05 June 15 14:20 BST (UK) »
Thanks everyone for your replies.

Wexflyer: I hope this isn’t too much information for you. In terms of addresses, John Brennan was living at "139 Shannon," and his bride Margaret Brown was living at "100 Shannon." From Griffiths I take it that these were on the east side of the River Slaney. Griffiths shows a couple hundred homes/shops in "The Shannon," and a much lesser number in "Shannon Hill." I am assuming that the two “Shannon” addresses were in Shannon Hill. Based on the map in Griffiths, I also think that Shannon Hill is just across the bridge, and maybe up-slope of "The Shannon" -- which itself looks like residences/shops along the low road to Drumgold. Does that sound right?(if you know Enniscorthy)

As for occupations, John Brennan was a laborer, and his father Thomas was a weaver; the father of the bride, Thomas Brown, was a laborer as well. I understand that there was a lot of home-based weaving in Ireland in the 1800's (wool, linen), but based on what I have read I would have thought it had faded away by 1865 especially in the southeast, displaced by the industrial operations of that era. As for the laborers in 1865, there was probably plenty of work at the Quay, where John Brennan actually moved with his new wife in 1866 (per civil record).

Other than that, I have no other information on either Thomas (Brennan, Brown), and they don't appear in Griffiths for the CP's on either side of the river (St Mary’s, Templeshannon). There are Thomas Brennan’s in Monart and Ferns CP's, so I might look some more in those two areas which are nearby Enniscorthy. There is a widow Brown living on The Shannon (in Griffiths) – I am assuming that she is new bride Margaret’s mother, for now.

Aghadowey: yes I have all of that information, although it took me months to find out all of the info you sent me after just hours after my post! I have done pretty exhaustive research in the US, and I am turning my attention to Wexford now. Once the church records are posted by NLI in July, I hope to find out more. Also, I will try to get access to the 1861 Census fragments for Enniscorthy – any advice on that?

I will be visiting Enniscorthy this summer and am trying to get good sense of the layout and history, and take some pictures of “Shannon” and “The Quay,”  even though they have certainly changed a good deal since 1860.

Healyj: I have been assuming that my Brennan’s migrated over to Wexford and Enniscorthy, given the large concentration of Brennan’s in Kilkenny, especially Idough. I figure that this started to happen after the upheaval and land confiscations of the 1600’s and afterwards. Do you have any information on that?

Thanks again everyone, your help is much appreciated

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Re: BRENNAN and BROWNE / BROWN in Enniscorthy, Co. Wexford in 1800's
« Reply #5 on: Friday 05 June 15 18:53 BST (UK) »
Thanks for providing the additional details. I am descended from two sets of Wexford Brennans, but I am afraid I don't see a direct connection.  I am familiar with Enniscorthy. Some comments
- I would read the addresses as "The Shannon".
- The Catholic parish record for the marriage will have (almost certainly) less information than you have from the civil registration. Of course, there may be some baptisms that you don't have.
- It is very important to remember that lots of people are NOT in the so-called Griffiths Valuation. Many poor labourers lived with their employer, or on less than yearly rentals, and are simply not included.
- Tracing these families will be difficult. Avoid the temptation to identify "your" Brennans and Browns with anyone with the same name that you find in the records - Johna nd Thomas are very common Christian names. Take "John Brennan" as a specific example - I had a hard time sorting out all the John Brennans in a single townland (Davidstown), knowing that that is where they were from. 

This may be a negative message, but I hope it is helpful.
BRENNANx2 Davidstown/Taghmon,Ballybrennan; COOPER St.Helens;CREAN Raheennaskeagh/Ballywalter;COSGRAVE Castlebridge?;CULLEN Lady's Island;CULLETON Forth Commons;CURRAN Hillbrook, Wic;DOYLE Clonee/Tombrack;FOX Knockbrandon; FURLONG Moortown;HAYESx2 Walsheslough/Wex;McGILL Litter;MORRIS Forth Commons;PIERCE Ladys Island;POTTS Bennettstown;REDMOND Gerry; ROCHEx2 Wex; ROCHFORD Ballysampson/Ballyhit;SHERIDAN Moneydurtlow; SINNOTT Wex;SMYTH Gerry/Oulart;WALSH Kilrane/Wex; WHITE Tagoat area

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Re: BRENNAN and BROWNE / BROWN in Enniscorthy, Co. Wexford in 1800's
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 10 June 15 14:12 BST (UK) »
Thanks Wexflyer, I appreciate the advice. I am always tempted to take leaps in logic, and your reminder is helpful. I am hoping to find more useful info from the church records due to be released this summer.

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Re: BRENNAN and BROWNE / BROWN in Enniscorthy, Co. Wexford in 1800's
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 10 June 15 18:48 BST (UK) »
Here is a link to a thread about the Enniscorthy census fragments

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=719878.msg5636325#msg5636325

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Re: BRENNAN and BROWNE / BROWN in Enniscorthy, Co. Wexford in 1800's
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 10 June 15 18:52 BST (UK) »
Just to clarify one thing - my warning is about just latching onto anyone with the right name that you might run into in Wexford records in general. If you find what looks like your family in the local parish records, that is something else. But I am certain that there were a number of John and Thomas Brennans in Co. Wexford at any given time, so simply finding a Thomas Brennan listed for, say, Ferns, does not necessarily signify very much.
BRENNANx2 Davidstown/Taghmon,Ballybrennan; COOPER St.Helens;CREAN Raheennaskeagh/Ballywalter;COSGRAVE Castlebridge?;CULLEN Lady's Island;CULLETON Forth Commons;CURRAN Hillbrook, Wic;DOYLE Clonee/Tombrack;FOX Knockbrandon; FURLONG Moortown;HAYESx2 Walsheslough/Wex;McGILL Litter;MORRIS Forth Commons;PIERCE Ladys Island;POTTS Bennettstown;REDMOND Gerry; ROCHEx2 Wex; ROCHFORD Ballysampson/Ballyhit;SHERIDAN Moneydurtlow; SINNOTT Wex;SMYTH Gerry/Oulart;WALSH Kilrane/Wex; WHITE Tagoat area