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Whitburn Scotland
« on: Thursday 11 June 15 07:01 BST (UK) »
Hi, I am looking for a marriage between William Pender born 13 2 1792 Damback Whitburn (died 11 6 1879 Scotland) and Bethia Storry born 11 8 1797 (died 11 11 1863 Scotland).  Their first born child William Pender was born on 28 3 1816.

Parents of William was also William Pender and Barbara Fleming
Parents of Bethia John Storrie (name ??) and Janet Thompson

Also:  This family lived at (or were born at) Cultsykefoot Farm.  I have been unable to find any info in a google search...perhaps spelling has altered or no longer in existence.  Any suggestions?

Any help would be appreciated. regards Schio

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Re: WHITBURN SCOTLAND
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 11 June 15 11:21 BST (UK) »
Hi Schio ,

Have you looked at the 1841 Census transcriptions on http://www.freecen.org.uk/ ?

There is a William Pender age 45 & family at Tarrydews Whitburn West Lothian.



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Re: WHITBURN SCOTLAND
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 11 June 15 16:17 BST (UK) »
East & West Cult are west of Whitburn & just to the south of Polkemmet. I think Whitburn was part of Livingstone parish if you get back a bit.

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Re: Whitburn Scotland
« Reply #3 on: Friday 12 June 15 00:41 BST (UK) »
Thanks very much everyone.  That map is fantastic and I can pinpoint the very small location that they lived at.  Very happy to have that.  Schio


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Re: Whitburn Scotland
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 13 June 15 12:27 BST (UK) »
Bethia Storry was my 2nd cousin 4 times removed, so all her descendants are related to me.

I have never been able to find a record of her marriage to William Pender.

The family at Tarrydews in 1841 is the correct one.

Whitburn was part of the parish of Livingston, from which it was disjoined in 1730. The baptisms of the children of William Pender and Bethia Storry were all in the parish of Whitburn. Claud in 1827 was the last one born at Cultsyke(foot) and Robert in 1830 the first born at Tarriedews.

I don't yet have the 1851 and 1861 census, but Bethia died at Knowe, Whitburn in 1863 and William at Dura, Cambusnethan in 1879.

I have family and/or death information about all eleven children except William (b 1816), Janet (b 1836) and Alexander (b 1840/1).

There are loads of online trees claiming that William married Elizabeth Liddle or Liddell. All of them are wrong. According to his death certificate, the William Pender married to Elizabeth Liddle or Liddell was the son of James Pender and Margaret Millar, not the son of William Pender and Bethia Storry. See attached.

Cultsykefoot http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1144210 though I doubt if this is the original house where the Penders lived. (James Walker McLean married a daughter of the poet Robert Burns)

Tarrydews no longer exists. It was south of Fauldhouse, a couple of hundred metres from the Breich Water. Its land is now part of Greenburn Golf Course.

Know(e)(s) too is no more. Its land is now a forest plantation, just north-west of Tarrydews.

See http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16&lat=55.8194&lon=-3.7121&layers=5 for Tarrydews and Knows. Find the blue circle at lower left and move it right and left to toggle between the old map and the modern satellite view.

Dura has also disappeared, though there still seem to be a place labelled Dura a few hundred metres away - see http://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NS8655 - but the mid-Victorian map shows the original Dura close to what is now the route of a disused railway. See http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16&lat=55.7858&lon=-3.8148&layers=5
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Re: Whitburn Scotland
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 13 June 15 12:37 BST (UK) »
Apologies - forgot about Damback.

I reckon it is the place named as Dumback on the mid-Victorian map - see
http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=17&lat=55.8633&lon=-3.7235&layers=5
which has also disappeared under woodland.
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Re: Whitburn Scotland
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 13 June 15 14:10 BST (UK) »
Slight correction James Walker Mclean married a great grand daughter of Robert Burns Mary M Pender. Her grandfather was John Bishop who married Elizabeth Paton/Burns ("Dear bought Bess") the illegitimate daughter of Robert Burns and Elizabeth Paton who lived at Halfway House just along the road on the opposite side. I have not looked at the Bishop side of my family for some time but I seen to recollect that they were associated with Cutl/Cultsyke/Cultsykefoot.

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Re: Whitburn Scotland
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 13 June 15 14:41 BST (UK) »
Slight correction James Walker Mclean married a great grand daughter of Robert Burns Mary M Pender. Her grandfather was John Bishop who married Elizabeth Paton/Burns ("Dear bought Bess") the illegitimate daughter of Robert Burns and Elizabeth Paton who lived at Halfway House just along the road on the opposite side. I have not looked at the Bishop side of my family for some time but I seen to recollect that they were associated with Cutl/Cultsyke/Cultsykefoot.

Yes, that's right. Slip of the brain - it was just to clarify the statement attached to the photo of Cultsykefoot. I'll get that corrected.
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Re: Whitburn Scotland
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 13 June 15 21:55 BST (UK) »
Carlineric, I think Bishop was the factor of Baillie of Polkemmet.

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