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Re: Robert Miller and Jane Low
« Reply #9 on: Monday 02 November 15 19:25 GMT (UK) »
Hello, more on William Miller.
He had married, had a child and been widowed by 1841.  That first wife was
Ann and she had married Ralph Surtees by whom she had a daughter in Gateshead.
The daughter of that marriage remains close to the Millers at least until
her marriage in 1850.  The 1835 Miller child of William and Ann, Jane,
cannot be traced with any real certainty after 1841.
ON 12/12/1835, at All Saints Newcastle, an Ann Surtees, who already has a child,
marries  William Miller, his brother Allan witnesses the marriage.  She
then dies before 1841.  Ann's first child, Ellen Surtees is with her step
father at the 1841 census, and then Ellen might go on
to Marry a William Hutchinson in 1850, still in All Saints, and continues to
live there.  This Ellen gives Ralph as her father at her wedding. Some
subsequent census entries give her place of birth as Gateshead and Durham.
This links her to the 1830 wedding in Gateshead and the 1835 birth of Ellen
in Gateshead. Hope that's easy to follow.
The 1841 census is the most important document I've seen for this family group, although the address is given as Hazelrigg the name of the village changes about 1842 to Camperdown.
I'm interested in Williams 2nd wife Isabella do you have her surname as Hunter or Miller ?


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Re: Robert Miller and Jane Low
« Reply #10 on: Monday 02 November 15 20:31 GMT (UK) »
Phew, that's a bit to digest... 

Isabella who married William Miller was also Isabella Miller before marriage.  She already had an illegitimate child with a miner with the surname Paterson. We found that Millers had married Hunters on both sides of the tree.  My father and brother both have the name Hunter as second christian names and my dad decided to be known as Hunter, as do my male cousins.

My maiden name was Miller.

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Re: Robert Miller and Jane Low
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 03 November 15 15:57 GMT (UK) »
Hi again,

I was wondering what happens to Allen after 1871?  He seems to disappear, also which of the children do you descend from?

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Re: Robert Miller and Jane Low
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 03 November 15 18:34 GMT (UK) »
Allen Miller died at Seaham 4/4/1881, he was buried at Christchurch although there is no headstone. His eldest surviving son Allen was my greatgrandfather.


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Re: Robert Miller and Jane Low
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 03 November 15 20:14 GMT (UK) »
Hi, That was my next question.  I believe they had 9 children:-

Thomas 1858/Ellen 1860/Sarah 1861/Ellen 1863/Allen 1865 -1909/Sarah 1870/Thomas 1871 - 1930/John 1875 - 1940/William 1879 - 1949

Do you agree with the above dates?  Do you have any info about Allen or any of the others?

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Re: Robert Miller and Jane Low
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 04 November 15 19:09 GMT (UK) »
They must have had ten children. I've missed the eldest Ellen you have but I also have Jane 1867 at New Herrington.

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Re: Robert Miller and Jane Low
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 05 November 15 08:57 GMT (UK) »
Yes there is a gap so I guess that would be right...

Which one is your ancestor?

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Re: Robert Miller and Jane Low
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 13 November 16 17:43 GMT (UK) »

Hi Liz, Rob

It's slowly dawning on me as I trace my maternal Miller line that I am entering the realm of the family line of Robert-William-Jane MILLER b. 1836 which you have yourselves traced.

My line continues from illegitimate child Henry of Jane down through my GGrandfather William Miller b. 1891.  William survived 4 years on the Somme 100 years ago serving in the Tyneside Irish Brigade and Norhtumberland Fusiliers and so it's particularly poignant to be finding out more about his family line - and maybe even whom he was named after, even if he was a bit of a rogue!

I'm interested in Jane's life as she seems to have had a difficult period of change in the 1850s (can't yet find her on the 1851 census) which ended up with a forgotten marriage, 2 children seemingly from different fathers and a spell in the workhouse.  You'll find out about the different avenues I've explored in other posts, which I must admit have rather stretched my brain...

Other than that gap in the 1851 census I now have decent coverage of Jane's life thanks to certificates and roots hat.  I've ordered some final certificates which will clarify a possible marriage to Thomas Bates which produced a child of the same name.

Did you find what happened to Ann Miller (nee Surtees) after she had become mother to Jane in late 1830s?
I've read with interest your discussion and revelations about the children of Robert Miller and wondered what you know of his life in Scotland and parentage, and the same with Jane Low?

Look forward to hearing more...

Regards
Kevin



Booth - Hulme, Manchester & Wallsend
Craggs - Bishop Auckland, Darlington & Byker
Hutchins & Lewins- Sunderland
Miller, Allan & Brunton - Walker & Byker
Bagnall - Watermen of the Ouseburn

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Re: Robert Miller and Jane Low
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