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Elizabeth Katherine /Kathleen Ricketts
« on: Monday 22 June 15 10:08 BST (UK) »
Hi
 i am trying to find my husbands Grandmothers birth   

all i have at the moment is

from marriage certificate to Henry Oliver Hoskins  3 may 1924 all souls marylebone
her birth should be in 1895 Elizabeth Katherine Ricketts
father John Ricketts

then from death certificate  1956  her name was Elizabeth Kathleen  Hoskins

i have ruled out Elizabeth Catherine  ricketts 1894 born in shoreditch  parents William ricketts and Caroline kipper
she married William Blackhurst and died in wandsworth 1971

Elizabeth is listed with her husband and mother in law
1925-1938

i have also tried looking at slightly different spelling of ricketts/ picketts/ticketts

i cant seem to find her on 1901 or 1911 census

i was wondering is she came into the country after 1911 census

any thoughts on where i can go from here

Andrea



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Re: Elizabeth Katherine /Kathleen Ricketts
« Reply #1 on: Monday 22 June 15 10:42 BST (UK) »
Who were the witnesses to the marriage. What was her fathers occupationj
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Re: Elizabeth Katherine /Kathleen Ricketts
« Reply #2 on: Monday 22 June 15 10:55 BST (UK) »
Hi
witnesses
george gg jolly

married to annie harvey,
 
an aunt of  henry oliver hoskins


and SARAH MEAD  who i have not yet traced



her father was listed as JOHN ricketts      a carman i think , could be cowman

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Re: Elizabeth Katherine /Kathleen Ricketts
« Reply #3 on: Friday 26 June 15 08:35 BST (UK) »
Hi

"Elizabeth is listed with her husband and mother in law 1925-1938"
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"and SARAH MEAD  who i have not yet traced "

EKH is buried in StAndrews, Kingsbury (1956)
I can see HOH & EKH living at 2(&4) Elthorne Road, Kingsbury in
1927 (2, "on their own")
1931 (4, with Edward MEAD)
1938 (2, wtih Edward Raymond MEAD)
1939 (2, "on their own")


She may have "made up" her father's name.
Would you give ALL the detail from the marriage certificate?


Ray



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Re: Elizabeth Katherine /Kathleen Ricketts
« Reply #4 on: Friday 26 June 15 09:06 BST (UK) »
Hi
henry oliver Hoskins 26  Bachelor  Garage Mechanic  12 Queen Anne Mews W1 George oliver hoskins  carman


Elizabeth Kathleen Ricketts 29 spinster  -               12 Queen Anne Mews W1 John Ricketts  COWMAN

both signed               witnesses  Alfred GG Jolly , Sarah Mead          Rev  Athur Buxton 1882-1958 ( vicar) 



death certificate   28 oct 1956  ELIZABETH KATHERINE HOSKINS   9 reported by Son  R Hoskins

i am not sure if he is still alive we  made some contact with in  2013 after 50 years.
 he says his brother  died 5  years ago ( my hushands Father ) but i have not proved this .








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Re: Elizabeth Katherine /Kathleen Ricketts
« Reply #5 on: Friday 26 June 15 14:26 BST (UK) »
Hmm.

Edward Raymond Mead was almost certainly the one b. 1862 in Wiltshire
Looking at the free indexes for the 1911:

Edward Mead, wife Sarah, and a daughter Lizzie born about 1894 are all living in Hendon.
free search of birthplaces on GenesReunited shows that Sarah was from Acton Turville and Lizzie from Cold Ashton, both in the Chipping Sodbury registration district.

They are also in Hendon in 1901.  I think they may have married in 1889 (Edward Mead and Sarah Watts).

Now, a possible:
siblings, Ada Emily Watts and Sarah Watts, in Cold Ashton:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V5YX-1QP

In 1890, Ada Emily Watts appears to have married John Ricketts.

They had several children who are listed with them on the census (Emily Ada often just "Ada") but not an Elizabeth/Lizzie/Kathleen/etc.  There is, however, an Elizabeth Caroline Ricketts birth indexed in Chipping Sodbury district of about the right time. (Mar quarter 1894).

This is now all speculation, but here is a theory:

1. Elizabeth is born in Gloucester, probably to John Ricketts and Emily Ada, an outside chance it was someone else in that family (unmarried sister?)

2. For whatever reason, between her birth and the 1901, she is sent to the Hendon area to live with Emily Ada's sister and brother in law, Edward and Sarah (nee Watts) Mead. On censuses, she is listed as their daughter.

Possibly this was simply because Edward & Sarah had no children of their own and John and Ada had too many mouths to feed. There would have been no formal adoption process.

3. Despite being listed as "Mead" on the census, Elizabeth was aware that her birth name was "Ricketts" and that her father was "John Ricketts". She therefore gives these details at marriage - while her adoptive/foster mother (actual aunty) Sarah signs as a witness.

4. The Mead family keep in contact after marriage, as indicated by Edward (Raymond) Mead appearing at the same address as the Hoskins in later electoral rolls.
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Re: Elizabeth Katherine /Kathleen Ricketts
« Reply #6 on: Friday 26 June 15 18:21 BST (UK) »
Yes you could be right

when edward raymond  mead died he lived 6 york road  1943
when elizabeth hoskins died she lived 5 york road   1956

it could be where their eldest son raymond  got his name
they certainly knew each other 1938.1939 lived same address

i will carry on looking into the census  ect


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Re: Elizabeth Katherine /Kathleen Ricketts
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 05 July 15 18:37 BST (UK) »
Hi
i have birth certificate now
yes parents John Ricketts  and ada watts

Thank you  I think she must be my husbands Grandmother .

Sarah Mead i had  not been able to find born  london area ,and

 i had missed the connection with Edward Mead found more recently on electrial registers .

andrea

as john ricketts is on 1891 after  his marriage and i cant find him any earlier
i now have  more research to do, ordering marriage certificates .  ada and sarah watts family i have now found back a couple of generations
than you .