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Sarah Ann Rothbourne 1857 birth in Hulme.
« on: Wednesday 24 June 15 22:49 BST (UK) »
This is my brick wall    :)

Sarah Ann Rothbourne married my Gt Gt Granddad William Taylor.

Now I know they were both illiterate. So possibly her surname could have been incorrectly written pm her daughters birth certificate
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BUT... the only birth I can find for a Sarah Ann in the area (Hulme according to the 1881 census) leads me to Rathbone.

Having spent hours, days, weeks and months following this lead, (I even had both parents and grandparents) Sarah Ann Rathbone married someone other than William Taylor and died at a good age, whereas my Sarah Ann died at age 31 from inflammation of the bowels. I have her death certificate.
I haven't been able to locate the marriage certificate, nor birth certificate for Sarah Ann Rothbourne, or in fact for William Taylor - but circa 1854 it is almost impossible to locate him specifically   ;D  From the census I estimate Sarah's birth to be circa 1857 which also fits with the age at death.

Any ideas please
Bev
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Re: Sarah Ann Rothbourne 1857 birth in Hulme.
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 25 June 15 07:55 BST (UK) »
Hi,

Where are they in the census?
Perhaps Sarah had been married before.

Heather

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Re: Sarah Ann Rothbourne 1857 birth in Hulme.
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 25 June 15 21:07 BST (UK) »
Hi,

Where are they in the census?
Perhaps Sarah had been married before.

Heather

The 1881 census shows the family living at 329A Oldham Rd,  Newton, Prestwich reg district
William is a glass blower (this was confirmed by my Grandmother who spent many hours with her maternal Granddad)
The household was as follows:
Wm. Taylor   27    Head   born Manchester   Glassblower
Sarah Ann Taylor   24    wife   born Hulme
Emily Taylor   7    daug   born Salford   scholar
Thos.Edward Taylor   2    son   born Newton Heath
Edward Taylor   10   cousin   born Birmingham   scholar

From the age of Sarah Ann at the birth of her daughter, I wouldn't have thought a previous marriage was possible. I have Emily's birth certificate, she is my Gt Grandmother. William is named as her father. William is also a glass blower on the birth certificate. Which is how I traced Emily's certificate and the census. Not many William Taylor with that very same combination :D

   
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Re: Sarah Ann Rothbourne 1857 birth in Hulme.
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 25 June 15 22:02 BST (UK) »
Hello,

You say they married but you haven't found the marriage. Is that right?
Have you checked the spelling of her name on the other children's birth certificates?

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Heywood
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Re: Sarah Ann Rothbourne 1857 birth in Hulme.
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 25 June 15 22:16 BST (UK) »
This is what I have found so far, (other than the 1881 census) the older census are unconfirmed due to not being able to differentiate....

Name:   Sarah Ann Rathbone
Birth Date:   21 Mar 1855
Baptism Date:   31 May 1855
Parish:   Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George
Father's name:   Joseph Rathbone
Mother's name:   Sarah Rathbone

which ties with this:
Name:   Sarah Ann Rathbone
Registration Year:   1855
Registration Quarter:   Apr-May-Jun
Registration district:   Manchester
Inferred County:   Lancashire
Volume:   8d
Page:   271

HOWEVER

Name:   Sarah Ann Rathbone
Gender:   Female
Baptism Date:   8 Oct 1854
Baptism Place:   St. George, Hulme, Lancashire, England
Father:   Joseph Rathbone
Mother:   Sarah Clarke

But I ruled them both out (maybe I'm wrong) because I found this marriage
Name:   Sarah Ann Rathbone
Age:   21
Birth Year:   abt 1855
Marriage Date:   2 Jun 1873
Parish:   Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George
Father's name:   Joseph Rathbone
Spouse's Name:   William Hott
Spouse's Age:   18
Spouse's Father's Name:   John Hott

and this one
Name:   Sarah Ann Rathbone
Birth Year:   abt 1856
Age:   21
Marriage Date:   31 Dec 1877
Parish:   Manchester, St Philip
Parish as it Appears:   St Philip Manchester
Father's name:   Joseph Rathbone
Spouse's Name:   Charles Kitchin
Spouse's Father's Name:   William Kitchin

Now why oh why did both Sarah Ann's have to have parents named Joseph and Sarah!
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Re: Sarah Ann Rothbourne 1857 birth in Hulme.
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 25 June 15 22:24 BST (UK) »

I haven't been able to locate the marriage certificate, nor birth certificate for Sarah Ann Rothbourne, or in fact for William Taylor - but circa 1854 it is almost impossible to locate him specifically   ;D 

Bev

William's brother, James looks to have married Mary Ann Ryan. On the marriage record at St Philip's church, his father is given as Edward Taylor. A witness is Mary Ann Taylor.

1871 159 /4034 / 39

Has a family which fits - parents Edward and Ann with children William, James and Mary Ann.
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Re: Sarah Ann Rothbourne 1857 birth in Hulme.
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 25 June 15 22:32 BST (UK) »
Charles and Sarah Ann Kitchin appear in 1881 census so that Sarah A can be ruled out.
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Re: Sarah Ann Rothbourne 1857 birth in Hulme.
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 25 June 15 23:20 BST (UK) »
Joseph, father of Sarah A who married William Holt was an iron planer.
This matches Joseph and Sarah at
1861 112 /2958 / 100

I can't yet see the Holts in 1881 - I think it is Holt not Hott on actual marriage record.
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Re: Sarah Ann Rothbourne 1857 birth in Hulme.
« Reply #8 on: Friday 26 June 15 09:37 BST (UK) »
1871
29 Mt Crescent,Chorlton on Medlock
Joseph Lomax  33
 Jane Lomax  29
 Florence Jane Lomax  4
 Mary Elizabeth Lomax  1
 William Urquhart  22 Painter
 William Taylor  Boarder unmarried 18 born Manchester Glass ?????
 Robert Harkness  29 Painter
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