Stuck on a KEMBLE lineage

[TheBanana]

I have found a burial for James Kemble so I will check if there are any details on the gravestone (if there is one). Otherwise, I will obtain the marriage certificate.

[TheBanana]

Also, I have just noticed that the 1911 Census states that James Kemble and Margaret Lyons had one child who had died. A different child isn't shown on the 1901 census, so my assumption is that they had a child in between 1901 and 1911 who died young. But, there are quite a few KEMBLE's in Cardiff who died young at that period according to FreeBMD. Any ideas?

It could either be:

Deaths Mar 1902   (>99%)
Kemble    John    0    Cardiff    11a   194

Deaths Sep 1907   (>99%)
KEMBLE    Patricia    2    Cardiff    11a   150

Deaths Mar 1909   (>99%)
KEMBLE    William    0    Cardiff    11a   228

[Annette7]

It definitely seems to me that James Kemble is the son of Isaac and Catherine although there is one mystery.

First, in 1891 the family includes a James shown aged 9 bc.1882 BUT there is no James under any variation of the name bc.1882 - I think that the age 9 should probably have read 19 (rather than 17 which would have been correct although if you compare the various census for the family their ages often a couple of years out).

Right, the mystery is that in 1881 census their youngest child is shown as Catherine bc.1868 - however, they had at least 5 children born in the 1870's i.e.

William born June 1871 as Cemble - died Dec.1872 as Kembell
James born Mar.1874 as Cemble (shown as 9?? in 1891)
Esther born Mar.1876 as Camble
John born Jun.1878 as Kemble (shown as 10?? in 1891)
William born Sept.1880 as Cemble

(2 that were born in 1880's were Sarah Ann and Samuel both shown as 7 in 1891 - however, Sarah Ann was born (as Camble) in Sept.1882 and Samuel born Mar.1885 (as Kemble) so you can see what I mean about ages in 1891 being up the creek with also James and John with wrong ages!)

The eldest William had died - but where were the other 4 children in 1881?   Did the enumerator simply miss them off somehow?

Anyway, after all that I'm pretty sure that if you get the birth certificate for James Cemble birth Mar.1874 it will confirm his parents as Isaac/Catherine (or indeed his marriage certificate) even though he and 3 younger siblings are 'missing' in 1881.

Annette

[TheBanana]

That is truly some good information to ponder. I have concluded to order a marriage certificate soon, so hopefully that should reveal some light on the subject.

[TheBanana]

Hi,

I am back again! I have just received the marriage certificate for James Kemble and Margaret Lyons. Much of my information on the two are correct, with regards to occupation, addresses and Margaret Lyons' father (William).

I have found that James Kemble's father is Isaac Kemble but I am wondering if anyone can help me find more information/connection on him.

[trish1120]

1851 Census
Chepstow, Monmouthshire, Wales
Elizabeth Kemble, 41, Head, Widow, born Falmouth, Cornwall
William Kemble, 15, Son, born Monmouthshire
Nathaniel Kemble, 10, Son, born Lidney, Gloucestershire
ISAC Kemble, 8, Son, born Lidney***
Christopher Kemble, 3, Son, born Chepstow, Monmouthshire

NATHANIEL Kemble
Baptised 24 Nov 1839, Lydney, Gloucestershire\
Parents JAMES/ELIZABETH
Fathers Occp Maltster
Register Type: Bishop's Transcripts

1841 Census
Lydney, Glous
HO107/350/3/Lydney
James Kimble, 30, Maltster
Elizabeth Kimble, 30
Hester Kimble, 9
Ann Kimble, 7
William Kimble, 5
Samuele Kimble, 3
Nathamel Kimble, 1

James born Glous, Elizabeth/Hester/Ann/William are not, last 2 Children born in Glous.

1861 Elizabeth KEMBLE is born c 1813 Ireland, Son Samuel 1837 and Christopher 1849 are with her in Cwmbach, Glamorganshire

This is likely them in 1881 in Liverpool, Lancashire;
Samuel Kemble, 39
Ann Jane Kemble, 43
Samuel Kemble, 12
William Kemble, 11
Edwin Kemble, 8
Nathanil Kemble, 5
Elizabeth Kemble, 69, Mother, born 1812 Chepstow, Monmouth

1871 in Lancs she is born  c 1821 Chepstow, under Kembell

LancsOPC;
Marriage: 5 Sep 1866 St Columba, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Samuel Kemble - full, Dock Labourer, Bachelor, 40 Regent Road West Derby
Anne Williams - (X), full, Spinster, 84 Brownlow Hill
Groom's Father: James Kemble, (deceased), Maltster
Bride's Father: William Williams, (deceased), Sailor
Witness: James Clements; Isabble [sic] Tolmie

[trish1120]

BAPTISM;
HESTER Kemble 15 April 1832, Parish Church, Chepstow
Parents JAMES/ELIZABETH
Fthers Occp Labourer
Abode Thomas Street

BURIAL;
JAMES Kemble, 17 Feb 1847 same Church
Age 38
Abode Thomas Street
+
EDWIN Kemble buried 1 Jan 1846 age 1yr, abode Thomas Street

All on FreeREG

[TheBanana]

Hi, much thanks for the help. I am looking into that now. Also, I am wondering, is there a way you could find out in the 1891 census of on information on Isaac Kemble (b. 1841) as I am wondering if he had more children with Catherine.

[TheBanana]

Also, I have just re-checked your information and it was a huge help. I have confirmed that Isaac and Catherine are James' parents. I am just trying to confirm 3 birth years of Isaac's children (Elizabeth, Mary A and Isaac)

It definitely seems to me that James Kemble is the son of Isaac and Catherine although there is one mystery.

First, in 1891 the family includes a James shown aged 9 bc.1882 BUT there is no James under any variation of the name bc.1882 - I think that the age 9 should probably have read 19 (rather than 17 which would have been correct although if you compare the various census for the family their ages often a couple of years out).

Right, the mystery is that in 1881 census their youngest child is shown as Catherine bc.1868 - however, they had at least 5 children born in the 1870's i.e.

William born June 1871 as Cemble - died Dec.1872 as Kembell
James born Mar.1874 as Cemble (shown as 9?? in 1891)
Esther born Mar.1876 as Camble
John born Jun.1878 as Kemble (shown as 10?? in 1891)
William born Sept.1880 as Cemble

(2 that were born in 1880's were Sarah Ann and Samuel both shown as 7 in 1891 - however, Sarah Ann was born (as Camble) in Sept.1882 and Samuel born Mar.1885 (as Kemble) so you can see what I mean about ages in 1891 being up the creek with also James and John with wrong ages!)

The eldest William had died - but where were the other 4 children in 1881?   Did the enumerator simply miss them off somehow?

Anyway, after all that I'm pretty sure that if you get the birth certificate for James Cemble birth Mar.1874 it will confirm his parents as Isaac/Catherine (or indeed his marriage certificate) even though he and 3 younger siblings are 'missing' in 1881.

Annette