Got 32/32. Should I give up? Or can I go further?

[LDW]

I now have a complete chart going back six generations to my 3rd G-Grandparents.* That's pretty cool. Perhaps I shouldn't be asking for more. But the more you have, the more you want. 

I am now completely stuck to find any more direct ancestors. Quite often I have a marriage but cannot find the parents of one party - or indeed either of them. Without parents' names on marriage records, or at least an unusual surname, it is hard to go any further back. And often these older records are inherited and have no citations: I have no reason to doubt them, but...

Here are two examples:


1/ Mary COLLINS, b. 21 Jul 1822, Stoke Damerel, Devon**. I think can take her mother Ann SHOBBROOK back one more generation to her parents Joseph and Mary***, but all I have for her father is 'James COLLINS, mariner, b. ABT 1795' (inherited info - no citation).

I have no firm birth year or birthplace. Without a census for 1801 how can I possibly hope to find James's parents?

2/ Elizabeth BELL, b. ABT 1783 Satley, Durham, m. William RAINE, 21 Mar 1807 Satley. She's in census 1851 (with Francis BENNOCH) at Blackheath Park, Lewisham and 1861 (ditto) at The Knoll, Lewisham Hill, London. ****


I've got several like that. So is there more I can do? Or should I just give up and be grateful?

All suggestions welcomed!


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* I have the following:

Gen 6: 32/32 (100% - yay!)
Gen 7: 45/64
Gen 8: 49/128
Gen 9 39/256

** Mary appears in census 1841 in Coldridge, Crediton, Devon. She marries Langford FROST, Q2 1843, Liverpool 20 171, and appears in later censuses:

1861: Downderry, St Germans.
1871: 7 St Stephens Road, St Germans.
1881: Dunheved House, Saltash.

[1851 n/a: Mary was in Ireland - see the birth of her daughter Elizabeth]

We also have CRO Doc X1338/3/6, leases and abstract of title, property in High Street, Launceston: 

"Conveyance, two houses, shops, offices, stables, yards, High Street, Launceston. 25 Mar 1873. Parties: 1) Langford Frost, esquire, of Saltash, late captain in 57th Regiment who married his present wife Mary in 1843; 2) John Nicolls..."

*** Ann Collins nee Shobbrook
Census 1841: shopkeeper, Coldridge, Crediton, Devon. Also present, Mary Shobbrook age 75.
Mary Shobbrook died 1850 in Crediton reg dist and there is a useful postem on the record at FreeBMD:

"Died 29 November 1850, Coldridge, age 82, Widow of Joseph Shobbrook, Blacksmith. Death reported by Ann Collins (Present at death, of Coldridge)"


**** I have a possible lead from The Law Advertiser 1831:

"'Bell, Anthony, formerly of Broomshields afterwards of Consett, farmer, then of Friarside in Tanfield, also of Wickham and Swalwell, farmer, miller and shopkeeper, afterwards of Hetton stream-mill, carrying on business with William Raine under the firm of Bell and Raine, millers Hetton stream-mill, and late of Easington lane, near Hetton le Hole, all in Durham, grocer and flour dealer.'

Is that Elizabeth's father in partnership with her husband? Could be...

[fiddlerslass]

Hi,
You can go a lot further!!

From the Bishop's Transcript William & Elizabeth RAINE were married by Licence. She was of Broomshields and he was of Barford in Winston Parish DUR. Both were 21 or over.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11680-107089-64?cc=1309819&wc=9K59-ZNG:13618101,29240801,29240802


Here is the marriage bond
page 1
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11753-32499-9?cc=1675690&wc=M6KL-FZS:129245801,129245802

page 2
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11753-37804-8?cc=1675690&wc=M6KL-FZS:129245801,129245802

Also  from the BT's of the parish of  Lanchester, DUR which contains Satley, Elizabeth BELL dau of Anthony and Elizabeth BELL of Broomshields was Chr. July 18th 1784. I believe Broomshields is in Satley. There was an earlier Elizabeth born to this couple according to the IGI (chr. 1782) so presumably she had died young.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11680-110649-23?cc=1309819&wc=9K59-ZNG:13618101,29240801,29240802
 
Perhaps the Anthony in business with Wm. RAINE was Elizabeth's brother rather than her father? 

You may find some  ancestor's wills here if you are lucky

Durham & Northumberland wills:

http://familyrecords.dur.ac.uk/nei/data/simple.php


From Genuki Winston, These are probably relations of William RAINE

bapt at Winston:
RAYNE, Jane Margaret - Robert + Mary of Barford, Farmer, 5 Jan 1822
RAYNE, John - Robert + Mary of Barford, Farmer, 21 Sep 1828
RAYNE, Mary Ann - Robert + Mary of Barford, Farmer, 20 Nov 1825
RAYNE, William - Robert + Mary of Barford, Farmer, 14 Sep 1823

Interestingly, it looks as though William may have had a child out of wedlock before his marriage in 1807.

From the Winston BT's

Hannah RAINE BB (Base born) dau of William RAINE of Barforth Moor and Hannah COATs of Hamsterly bapt Dec 5th 1803. The mother's baptism is the one above - she was 19 yrs old.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11809-160579-83?cc=1309819&wc=9K59-VZW:13618101,33441901,23569503

Barford is sometimes know as Barforth.

Hope this helps.
 

[LDW]

"Hope this helps", Fiddler's Lass? - I'll say it does!

Best of all you have shown me that there is still plenty more to be done.

Thank you so much!