Looking for ancestors - Gillan/Gillon/Gillen

[Zebrakat]

Hello

Gillan/Gillon/Gillen

I am looking for ancestors in the Ayr so if you have any information or a connection through marriage etc I would love you to share your information with me.

My brick wall is Laurance Gillan

I am especially looking for information on Laurance, Laurence or Lawerance (Coal Miner) who married Margaret Glaucie/Glaucey. They had a son called John who married Jane Thomson in Irvine 1863, he married again in Kilmarnock 1869 to Ann McCoubray. Laurance was deceased when John married in 1869.

I cant locate Laurance.s birth, marriage or death certificate. I do get the feeling he was born and married in Ireland somewhere but where I don't know. I cant locate his death either. Help me move forward.

Thank you in advance

Zebrakat

[MonicaL]

Hi Zebrakat

What do you have on John Gillan? You mention his two marriages. What do the censuses show for him and birth place?

Monica 

[Zebrakat]

Hi Zebrakat

What do you have on John Gillan? You mention his two marriages. What do the censuses show for him and birth place?

Monica 

1851 Census

I think this is John was living in Rutherglen with his family

[jonn]

Hello Zebrakat,

Here is John Gillan, who married Ann McOubray, 1869. Kilmarnock, on the 1881. Census.

Address, Old Monkland, Lanark,

John Gillan, Head, Coal Miner, M. age 47 years, M. born Rutherglen, Lanark,
Ann Gillan, Wife, M. age 40 years, F. born Ireland,
Joseph Gillan, Son, Scholar, age 10 years, M. born Irvine, Ayr,
Lawrence Gillan, Son, Scholar, age 7 years, M. born Old Kilpatrick, Dunbarton,
Samuel Gillan, Son, age 4 years, M. born Rutherglen, Lanark,
James Gillan, Son, age 2 years, M. born Rutherglen, Lanark
Margaret Gillan, Mother, Widow, age 65 years, born Ireland,
James Gillan, Brother, Coal Miner, U. age 37 Years, M. born Rutherglen, Lanark.

Birth of Joseph Gillan, 5/Dec/1870. Irvine, Ayr, parents John Gillan, and Ann McCubrie.
Birth Of Lawrence Gillon, 22/Aug/1873. New Kilpatrick, Dunbarton, parents John Gillon, and Ann Mcubray.

Thes two births match with this 1881. census. So the census is most certainly the John Gillan, and his wife Ann Mcubray. The spelling of John, and Ann's, surnames are different on most documents.

Finally did you know that John, and Ann's, marriage is also recorded in the Catholic Church, Records, as this John Gillon, married Ann McCoubrough, 10/June/1869. St. Josephs, Roman Catholic Church. Kilmarnock. The exact date and place as the 1869 marriage on Scotlandspeople, Statuary Marriages.

Regards,
Jonn.

[Zebrakat]

Hello Zebrakat,

Here is John Gillan, who married Ann McOubray, 1869. Kilmarnock, on the 1881. Census.

Address, Old Monkland, Lanark,

John Gillan, Head, Coal Miner, M. age 47 years, M. born Rutherglen, Lanark,
Ann Gillan, Wife, M. age 40 years, F. born Ireland,
Joseph Gillan, Son, Scholar, age 10 years, M. born Irvine, Ayr,
Lawrence Gillan, Son, Scholar, age 7 years, M. born Old Kilpatrick, Dunbarton,
Samuel Gillan, Son, age 4 years, M. born Rutherglen, Lanark,
James Gillan, Son, age 2 years, M. born Rutherglen, Lanark
Margaret Gillan, Mother, Widow, age 65 years, born Ireland,
James Gillan, Brother, Coal Miner, U. age 37 Years, M. born Rutherglen, Lanark.

Birth of Joseph Gillan, 5/Dec/1870. Irvine, Ayr, parents John Gillan, and Ann McCubrie.
Birth Of Lawrence Gillon, 22/Aug/1873. New Kilpatrick, Dunbarton, parents John Gillon, and Ann Mcubray.

Thes two births match with this 1881. census. So the census is most certainly the John Gillan, and his wife Ann Mcubray. The spelling of John, and Ann's, surnames are different on most documents.

Finally did you know that John, and Ann's, marriage is also recorded in the Catholic Church, Records, as this John Gillon, married Ann McCoubrough, 10/June/1869. St. Josephs, Roman Catholic Church. Kilmarnock. The exact date and place as the 1869 marriage on Scotlandspeople, Statuary Marriages.

Regards,
Jonn.

Thank you Jonn

Yes John married Ann McCoubray after is first wife died. Jane Thomson. It's his dad that is my brick wall. Margaret must be John mother living with him during the 1881 census.

Laurence is my mystery man, John's father so do you have any info on him.

Regards

Kat.

[jonn]

Hello Zebrakat,

By 1861. the family minus young John, who married Ann. Well they are living in Ayr.

This is only a index for the family however their ages the parents Lawrence, and Margaret, are all over the place but it is them.

1861 census Irvine, Ayr.

Lawrence Gillen, age 45 years, born Ireland,
Margaret Gillen, age 42 years, born Ireland,
James Gillen, age 17 years, born Rutherglen, Lanarkshire,
Thomas Gillen, age 15 years, born Rutherglen, Lanarkshire,
William Gillen, age 11 years, born Rutherglen, Lanarhshire.

The three sons above all match with the 1851. census also they were born Rutherglen, also as John Gillen, married as you 1863. in Irvine, Ayrshire, then its all adding up.

You also said that Lawrence Gillen, was deceased by the time John, married in 1869 Kilmarnock.

There is one death for a Lawrence Gillen, 1865. Auchinleck, Ayr, he is aged 49 years again the ages are out, but Lawrence Gillen/Gillon/Gillan, is quite a unusual name, if it were me i would take a chance and look at this death on Scotlandspeople.

Regards,
Jonn.

[Zebrakat]

Hello Zebrakat,

By 1861. the family minus young John, who married Ann. Well they are living in Ayr.

This is only a index for the family however their ages the parents Lawrence, and Margaret, are all over the place but it is them.

1861 census Irvine, Ayr.

Lawrence Gillen, age 45 years, born Ireland,
Margaret Gillen, age 42 years, born Ireland,
James Gillen, age 17 years, born Rutherglen, Lanarkshire,
Thomas Gillen, age 15 years, born Rutherglen, Lanarkshire,
William Gillen, age 11 years, born Rutherglen, Lanarhshire.

The three sons above all match with the 1851. census also they were born Rutherglen, also as John Gillen, married as you 1863. in Irvine, Ayrshire, then its all adding up.

You also said that Lawrence Gillen, was deceased by the time John, married in 1869 Kilmarnock.

There is one death for a Lawrence Gillen, 1865. Auchinleck, Ayr, he is aged 49 years again the ages are out, but Lawrence Gillen/Gillon/Gillan, is quite a unusual name, if it were me i would take a chance and look at this death on Scotlandspeople.

Regards,
Jonn.

Thank you Jonn

Yep that's him and matches the other details that I have, it also gives me his parents names   too so hopefully I can locate now in Ireland. Thank you so much as I have been stuck on and off for approx 6 months. 

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