William smith b1891 lived in East Ham.

[Susan Smith]

William is my husbands Grandad,  he left the marritable home in around 1934,  according to what is known,  without trace.  Leaving several children,  including my husbands dad.  All children but 1 are deceased now and the one surviving is very old and cannot provide any information.

The question is, they never apparently divorced,  would he have been logged as a missing person?  Is there a time limit that has to pass before remarrying,  his nan remarried in in the first quarter of 1942.

It's so sad,  what happened to him?

Sue

[olleym]

What was his wife's name?

Mark

[Susan Smith]

Doris Mabel wilding,  they married in 1916,  she remarried and became Southgate.

Sue

[amondg]

A photograph on a family tree on ancestry of William and Doris as young people, he is wearing a uniform, the trousers are actually jodhpurs and it looks like an ammunition belt across the shoulder. Was he in a cavalry unit? They married 1916 during WW1.
His enlistment papers would give more information about him that might be useful going forward.
Did you get their marriage certificate? it will give an address of where he was staying/living at the time of the marriage.
The ancestry family has his father as George however there is more than one possibility on the 1911 census.

[Susan Smith]

Thank you Amondg,  the family tree on Ancestry is Hubby's,  the photo is the only photo he has,  we tried Forces War records and sent the photo but they could not tell us anything,  other than the uniform was a standard issue one of the time.

We do have the Marriage Certificate which shows both William and Doris living at the same address,  which is her families address,  it does show his Dad as George a Labourer.  Unfortunately we do not know where William was born or his Mothers Name.  On the marriage certificate he is down as being a Bombardier in what looks like RHA.  The only living child is very elderly and,lives in Belgium,  she believes he,was in the King Royal Rifles.

I think we are going to have to wait for the next census to hopefully find,anymore info,  at least we may discover where he was born from that.   We have checked electoral rolls and he was showing with the family up to 1933 but gone in 1934 so presume he disappeared between those years.  Unfortunately there is not much info shown in these records.

thank you so much for taking time to look for us.

Alan and Sue.

[rosie99]

his nan remarried in in the first quarter of 1942.

Does the marriage state she is widowed

[Susan Smith]

Yes it does Rosie,  but we believe she waited the 7!yeas so he was presumed dead.

Thx

Alan and sue

[Susan Smith]

I obtained Doris Mabel Smiths (formerly Wilding) certificate of Marriage to Arthur Cecil Southgate in 1942,  She has put herself as Spinster (she was not as was married to William)  Arthur was down as Batchelor but think he was married before.  Doris's Father was down as James Smith deceased,  her father was James Wilding not Smith,  the witnesses were her Daughter Phylis and her husband their surname was Estur.  This is another intreging find as were they deceiving the authorities by putting false information.  This has made it even more difficult as we were hopeing that Doris would be down as Widow or Divorced.

Alan

[Ladyhawk]

Doris Mabel wilding,  they married in 1916,  she remarried and became Southgate.

Did you get their marriage certificate?
it will give an address of where he was staying/living at the time of the marriage.

The ancestry family has his father as George however there is more than one possibility on the 1911 census.

I was going to ask about the 1916 m/c also but I see that the details have been giving here on another thread headed Southgate
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=763890.9

The marriage certificate of
William and Doris shows father as George Occupation Labourer. 
address 13 winters avenue
They got married in 1916,  William was in the Army as occupation is Bombardier
in what looks like RHA
but an only Living Daughter who is very elderly and,lives in Belgium did say when contacted quite a while ago that he was in the Kings Own Royal Rifles,  but has very little information.

The problem is that we don't know where William was born and his mothers name,  which obviously makes it very difficult.

Was and age given for William or was it just full age?

Who witnessed their marriage?