Richard Mansell marriages

[Mansl]

Richard had a brother Thomas also bapt. Bishops Cleeve 14/1/1780 born Gotherington.Have no trace of him at all.

Alan

[Mansl]

Hi Rob.

I was wondering if Ann reverted to her name Long after 14 Dec 1820 and was buried as Ann Long.

Alan

[Rob2]

Dear Alan

A few years ago I did some research on the vestry minutes in Winchcombe parish, and I’ve just found the following entry in my notes:-

Friday 1 Feb 1822 - a vestry meeting was this day held in this parish church pursuant to the agreement of the meeting of the 29th January - that all possible inquiry as to the place of legal settlement of Richard Mansell and his wife and family shall be forthwith made and if it appear to be at any other place than Winchcomb they shall be removed to such place with the earliest convenience.

The implication of this is that if Richard Mansell’s legal settlement was Winchcombe then he and his family would be allowed to remain. 

Since we know that Richard was living in Winchcombe in 1841 with three of his children, two of whom (Ann & Charles) were born after the church edict in 1820, then, on the face of it, the family seem to have continued to live in Winchcombe. If Richard and Ann had been forcibly separated then unless she could be returned to her place of settlement (possibly Bishops Cleeve) she would have become a charge on Winchcombe parish, which its overseers and churchwardens would have wanted to avoid. However, I have checked my notes of Winchcombe vestry meetings in the early 19th century up to the 1830s and found no record of the removal of Ann Mansell (or Ann Long) from Winchcombe parish.

So the evidence strongly suggests that Richard and Ann remained in Winchcombe, and that the hoo-hah died down. This is supported by the post-1820 baptisms of their younger children and the burial of Ann Mansell in 1835, which all took place at Winchcombe parish church.

ROB

[Mansl]

That's interesting Rob thanks.I suppose you have seen I now have have the Baptisms and Burials of Richard and Mary's two children along with Marys Burial.So I am busy this morning filling in my tree.So you say Ann was buried in Winchcomb in 1835 do you know the date of that please.

Richard had a brother Thomas Born Gotherington Baptised 14/1/1780 Bishops Cleeve.I have no trace of him after the baptism do you have a burial for him in Bishops Cleeve before the 1841 census.

Alan.

[Mansl]

Hi Rob.

I can only find 2 burials around that time in Winchcombe

William Mancel 17/1/1835 7 weeks old
Ann Mansell      6/1/1837   aged 87.

I wonder if William was richard and Ann's son because of the spelling.

Alan

[Rob2]

Dear Alan

If you look back at the message I posted yesterday you’ll see that of the two women named Ann Mansell buried in Winchcombe in the 1830s yours was buried on 23 Dec 1835 at the age of 53. So If Wm Mancell (bap 17 January 1835) was Ann’s son she would have given birth at the age of 52 or 53 which, although technically possible, seems unlikely.

I have no data for Bishops Cleeve, or indeed any parish other than Winchcombe, so you will need to search the Bishops Cleeve parish registers, plus the censuses, for details of Thomas and any other siblings of Richard Mansell.  The Family Search website is also worth a try.

ROB

[Mansl]

Yes thanks Rob.

I do have a CD with the all the Gloucestershire burials on from 1813-1851 but it don't give the 23/12/1835 burial on it which is strange.

Alan

[..claire..]

Hi  again Alan,

The register viewable on Anc* has Ann transcribed as MAUNSELL ( and looks like that in the register)
She was buried on the 22nd December, rather than the 23rd.

claire

[Mansl]

Hi Claire.

Yes I have found it on my CD now spelt like you say and 22nd great thanks you and Rob have been a great help to me and my cousin is grateful of the information as well its so interesting and lucky that Rob had that info on Richard.a couple of years ago i did camp 5 miles from Gloucester for a week and went to the records office everyday on my bike.I need to do that again sometime.Living ten minutes from the Warwick Records Office is great I can spend hours there and have.

Alan