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Isle of man reformatory
« on: Sunday 12 July 15 21:39 BST (UK) »
Could anyone tell me the name of the Reformatory on the island around 1895. One of my husbands ancestors was sent there for stealing 4s in copper and 7 corsets. He was 9 years old. His name was James Casey McFarlane and he lived in Douglas.
His grandfather Martin Casey was a cutler and umbrella maker in Duke street Douglas until his death in 1874 when his wife took over the business. I am looking for early directories or anything that would tell me when he opened his shop. Any help would be gratefully received
Joyce

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Re: Isle of man reformatory
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 14 July 15 09:21 BST (UK) »
Isle of Man Times - Saturday 23 December 1893
"There is no reformatory here that the Court can send such cases to, and cases like yours must be sent to the other side of the water: but the Imperial Government fufuse to take into the reformatories there any junveniles sent from here unless they are sentenced to penal servitude for the minimum period of five years."

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Re: Isle of man reformatory
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 14 July 15 13:12 BST (UK) »
Thanks for the information. After i had posted the request and read a little more about reformatories i realized that there probably wasn't one on the island. The boy James Casey McFarlane aged 9 was sentenced to 5 years in a reformatory. In 1901 he appears again  living in Liverpool. I presume this is where he would have been sent.

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Re: Isle of man reformatory
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 14 July 15 13:38 BST (UK) »
From www.imuseum.im:

Burial, 23rd February 1875, at Braddan
Martin Casey, age 49, abode: Douglas


And, from Lawson's BMD's:
Births, 16th July 1885, Douglas
McFarlane, James Casey
Parents: James McFarland and Jane Casey


Other children to the same couple:
30 July 1887 John
11 August 1888 Jessie Isabella (died 5 months)
5 December 1889 Margaret E
10 November 1895 Jessie
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Re: Isle of man reformatory
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 14 July 15 17:53 BST (UK) »
Thankyou.
 I already have the other information, but i found the i-museum web site today and will have a better look later. It looks interesting. I don't suppose you know if there are any surviving records for the industrial school and where they may be.
Thanks again

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Re: Isle of man reformatory
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 14 July 15 20:41 BST (UK) »
Any Manx records are likely to be at the Manx Museum Library?

You might also like to look at Manxnotebook?
http://www.isle-of-man.com/manxnotebook/
http://www.isle-of-man.com/manxnotebook/famhist/genealgy/chomes.htm

And the Children's Homes website?
http://www.childrenshomes.org.uk/list/IsleOfMan.shtml


What a coincidence!
What is now called Strathallan Hall is a private home; I had dinner there last Sunday! ;D
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Re: Isle of man reformatory
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 15 July 15 08:30 BST (UK) »
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Sherry-Paddington & Marylebone,
Longhurst-Ealing & Capel, Abinger, Ewhurst & Ockley,
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Re: Isle of man reformatory
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 15 July 15 19:52 BST (UK) »
in 1881 their 19 yr dau born England, 14 yr son born IoM - they are not in the 1863 directory (the next directory is 1881/2
thus seem arrived 1864..1867 period - try looking for an advert in newspapers (imuseum) in this period
any thing with a Manx Connection

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Re: Isle of man reformatory
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 15 July 15 20:03 BST (UK) »
Hi i am just about to try the museum site. Aswell as the 19 year old daughter born in England in 1856 Mary Ann and another daughter born in Lancaster England 1n 1861 Jane . Another daughter Annie was born in the Isle of Man in 1859. So Martin and Jessie must have been on the island in 1859. Then returned to England and returned  to The Isle of man after 1861.It is a bit of a mathematical puzzle swell as a headache.
Thanks for replying
Joyce