Henry Tidmarsh: where, how, when??

[rossendalerose]

Thanks - this is getting interesting. I realised that daughter Agnes was born in France but have never done a search of French records - so thanks for finding them.

I've made a leap of intuition re Carolines maiden name. In 1881 Henry's sister-in-law Louisa is staying with them. Carolines sister? Checking her marriage in India in 1856 to Walter D'Oyly Kerrich (and I feel this is the right track because the Kolesars one generation in the future call one of their sons Paul D'Oyly Kolesar) her maiden name is Cleanland - surely Clelland?? However I haven't been able to find a Caroline Clelland/Cleanland being born in Italy. If really necessary I can order Frances' birth cert but this detective work is more interesting!!

re Henry's disability - how would it have been dealt with in Victorian times.  Obviously the family had money - would he have been sent away to be nursed? - or to a Convent type of place? -would he have lived with a retainer companion?

It's also got me thinking about how he communicated. Anyone know when did sign language come into use?

off to look through all your notes. Thanks  Rose H

[hanes teulu]

Check the National Archives site  http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/advanced-search

Reference to addresses in France

[chempat]

You mentioned Louisa marrying a Kerrich, Caroline could be born a Kerrich:

   Caroline Mary Kerrich
Christening    24 Oct 1837 in Florence, Italy
Father's Name    Thomas Kerrich
Mother's Name   Harriet Frances
 C01153-2 , System Origin: Italy-ODM , GS Film number: 563016

Added:
Possibly her Mother?
Deaths December quarter  1876   in Bath, age 67, so born about 1809  Harriet Frances Kerrich

Probate?
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01frs/

[rossendalerose]

So Caroline is  Walter D'Oyly Kerrich's sister then?? with Louisa being her sister -in-law? Rose H

[rossendalerose]

Henry Tidmarsh £884 late of Brieuc Cotes du Nord Brittany in France a gentleman  widower died 24.10.1881 at St B was granted to Frances Mary Tidmarsh of Kemberton the daughter and next of kin.
Ciderdrinker

Is this Henry Tidmarsh the senior one who married Frances Bick in 1828? My Henry  (b 1830) wouldn't make his 2 year old daughter next of kin surely?
Rose H

[chempat]

1871 census in Kensington
xxxxHarriet Kerrick   62  widowed  Independent  East India
Gorden F Springett   27  son-in-law  Gentleman   Madeira
Maria Spingell   23  dau   Lady  Italy
Ethell Spingell   1  grndau   Australia
Elizabeth Harper  servant   22
Mary Topping   28
Sarah Apps   15
RG10    Piece 39    Folio 34     Page  11

Added:
Gordon can be found in most of the English censuses,
Deaths September quarter  1927    Gordon F Springett    age  83    W. Ham      4a      233

[hanes teulu]

"Sale this Day and Tomorrow
....at Overbury, about 5 miles from Tewksbury ... by direction of Mr Henry Tidmarsh, who has let his Estate, and is retiring from the Farming Business and going to the Continent"
(Worcs Journal 30 Mar 1837)

[rossendalerose]

If Henry (senior) 'retired' in 1837 to live in France is it likely he took his son Henry with him - which is why there isn't a record of him in England until 1881?

"Sale this Day and Tomorrow
....at Overbury, about 5 miles from Tewksbury ... by direction of Mr Henry Tidmarsh, who has let his Estate, and is retiring from the Farming Business and going to the Continent"
(Worcs Journal 30 Mar 1837)

Rose H

[chempat]

It is a distinct possibility and they do appear to have relations who travel all over the world.

Ask on the Europe board for pointers to French records/censuses?