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Re: Edward Parry (occup: huntsman), father of Henry Parry (b 1820 Amlwch)
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 29 July 15 20:30 BST (UK) »

It seems Edward Parry died 6 Feb 1862. His death was registered:

Edward Parry, 78 at Gadfa, Amlwch, copper miner. Informant Henry Parry (address recorded as Gadfa, Llaneilian).

I couldn't find this record anywhere, are you sure that's the right date?


The information comes from an index of Anglesey Death registrations so, provided there were no transcription errors, the same information appears on the death certificate. FreeBMD has this death - Mar 1862 Anglesey 11b 453.

The Edward Parry who died 1867 (was it FreeBMD Mar 1867 Anglesey 11b 457, age 82?) died 30 Jan 1867 at Llanbadrig and was a retired farmer. The informant was Ellen Pritchard (no relationship given and no address).
Anglesey - Thomas:
Bodedern, Heneglwys, Llanfair-yn-Neubwll.
Anglesey - Jones:
Llanfaethlu, Llanfair-yn-Neubwll, Rhoscolyn.
Anglesey - Parry:Llanfair-yn-Neubwll.
Anglesey - Lewis:Llanbadrig.
Anglesey - Willins & Tyran/Tyrer

Caernarvonshire - Evans and Lewis:Llanberis.

Denbighshire - Jenkins:Llandynan, Llantysilio, Cerrigydrudion.
Denbighshire - Jones:Rhos, Ruabon.
Denbighshire - Jones:Henllan

Flintshire - Mathews:Northop

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Re: Edward Parry (occup: huntsman), father of Henry Parry (b 1820 Amlwch)
« Reply #10 on: Friday 31 July 15 03:41 BST (UK) »

It seems Edward Parry died 6 Feb 1862. His death was registered:

Edward Parry, 78 at Gadfa, Amlwch, copper miner. Informant Henry Parry (address recorded as Gadfa, Llaneilian).

I couldn't find this record anywhere, are you sure that's the right date?


The information comes from an index of Anglesey Death registrations so, provided there were no transcription errors, the same information appears on the death certificate. FreeBMD has this death - Mar 1862 Anglesey 11b 453.

The Edward Parry who died 1867 (was it FreeBMD Mar 1867 Anglesey 11b 457, age 82?) died 30 Jan 1867 at Llanbadrig and was a retired farmer. The informant was Ellen Pritchard (no relationship given and no address).

Thanks. I'm very limited regards internet and records at the moment so apologies.

I'm increasingly convinced that the Edward and Grace Parry at Glanyrafon in the 1851 census are the wrong people.

I stumbled upon the following post on amlwch data which rather confusingly seems to show another Edward and Grace Parry couple living at the farm nearby Trwysglwyn Isaf , Amlwch in 1851.

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,"Might I ask for a search of the 1861 census to check out the following two PARRY family groups?
I can see from your web pages that the surname is common in Amlwch and I am not confident in tracing this genealogy. I have included here what I think are their records from other censuses but I find I get somewhat confused by the dwelling names (and I have tried both your web pages and ""walking"" the census images on Ancestry etc. but my knowledge of Amlwch geography is non-existent).

Here they are in 1841:
Trwysglwyn Isaf, Amlwch, Anglesey, Wales
PARRY, Owen 50 Agricultural Labourer
PARRY, Grace 50
PARRY, Richard 15 Copper Miner
PARRY, James 14 Copper Miner
PARRY Catherine 4
PARRY Edward 3

Here they are in 1851:
Trwysglwyn Isaf, Amlwch, Anglesey, Wales
PARRY, Edward 66 Copper Miner
PARRY, Grace 68 Wife
PARRY, Richard 24 Copper Miner
PARRY, James 22 Copper Miner

(Who, then, is Owen? - where was husband Edward in 1841?) I have what I think is William and Grace's marriage extract from IGI.2.
Here they are in 1841:
Tyn y cae, Amlwch, Anglesey, Wales
PARRY William 1816 (25) Agricultural Labourer
PARRY Elizabeth 1821 (20)
Plus others (4 named JONES and 11 named ROBERTS)
William (I believe) was son of Edward and Grace.
Here they are in 1851?: (not sure if Tyn y cae and Ty ar y Cae are same location!)
Ty ar y Cae, Amlwch, Anglesey, Wales
PARRY, William 37 Llaneilian, Anglesey Copper Miner
PARRY, Elizabeth 37 Amlwch, Anglesey Wife
PARRY, Edward 9 Amlwch, Anglesey
PARRY, Ellen 7 Llandyfrydog, Anglesey
PARRY, William 5 Llandyfrydog, Anglesey
PARRY, James 3 Llandyfrydog, Anglesey
PARRY, Mary 6m Amlwch, Anglesey
William died in 1864. The address inscribed on his headstone read ""Ty Ar y Cae, Gadfa"". Could this be family in 1871? (not sure if Tyn y cae, Ty ar y Cae and Ty ar Cae are same location!) (although the age is wrong, there appear to be no other likely widows!)
Ty ar Cae, Amlwch Anglesey, Wales
Elizabeth PARRY 51 Amlwch, Anglesey, Wales Widow Head Amlwch Anglesey
James PARRY 23 U Amlwch, Anglesey, Wales Son Miner Amlwch Anglesey
John PARRY 16 U Amlwch, Anglesey, Wales Son Miner Amlwch Anglesey
Richard PARRY 14 U Amlwch, Anglesey, Wales Son Miner Amlwch Anglesey
Henry PARRY 12 Amlwch, Anglesey, Wales Son Scholar Amlwch Anglesey
Hugh PARRY 10 Amlwch, Anglesey, Wales Son Scholar Amlwch Anglesey
The reported age for Elizabeth is, maybe, erroneous.
The widow Elizabeth PARRY appears (as Elisabeth?) in the 1881 census living at ""Part Of Trwsglwyn"" and (possibly, as Elizabeth MORRIS?) in 1891 at Ty r Cae (IS THIS the same location identified above??)(but it is my understanding that she did not remarry and is buried in 1893 with husband William PARRY so I guess I have lost the thread somewhere.
I am hoping that data from 1861 might help clarify just what is going on.
Thanks in anticipation for any help you are able to provide.",John Haram
174,101,Parry,"   I have searched amlwch 1861 for Elizabeth Parry ,but have been unable to
find anyone listed at ,Trwysglwyn Isaf, or Tyn y cae.
There are 3 or 4 families with a William and Elizabeth but either the ages
are incorrect or William is listed as a sailor.
I can help however with the location of Trwysglwyn Isaf, which still exists
as a farm just to the south of Parys Mountain.
At various times it was associated with the copper or sulphuric acid works
on the mountain. ( www.copperkingdom.co.uk)
It seems to have been a large farm and so it is possible that more than one
family group where living in the property at any one time.
Both Tyn y cae and Ty ar y Cae translate as house in / on the field.  the
village is Gadfa which again is to the south  of the mountain a couple of
miles from Amlwch.

Moreover there's an 1814 baptism record for the William Parry above that has Edward and Grace as parents who I assume then may be Henry's brother. Whilst the Owen Parry in the 1841 census might be Edward's brother.

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Re: Edward Parry (occup: huntsman), father of Henry Parry (b 1820 Amlwch)
« Reply #11 on: Friday 31 July 15 04:33 BST (UK) »
Lastly, there is a big Hughes family living at fawr rather than isaf in 1841 which may relatesto the will of John Hughes. Sorrry I'm unable to read it at the moment to check but appears this is in Rhos-y-bol not Gadfa so perhaps not. I don't understand Welsh but I assume this just means different bits of the same farm. Henry Parry always gives his birth place on census records as Amlwch. If he had ben born at Gadfa he would have put LlaneilianI think.

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William   Hughes   1786   Trwysglwyn fawr   Farmer   Amlwch   1499
Jane   Hughes   1801   Trwysglwyn fawr      Amlwch   1500
Mary   Hughes   1826   Trwysglwyn fawr      Amlwch   1501
Margaret   Hughes   1826   Trwysglwyn fawr      Amlwch   1502
William   Hughes   1829   Trwysglwyn fawr      Amlwch   1503
John   Hughes   1831   Trwysglwyn fawr      Amlwch   1504
Hugh   Hughes   1833   Trwysglwyn fawr      Amlwch   1505
Evan   Hughes   1835   Trwysglwyn fawr      Amlwch   1506
Edward   Hughes   1838   Trwysglwyn fawr      Amlwch   1507
Elin   Thompson   1821   Trwysglwyn fawr   Female servant   Amlwch   1508
Margaret   Hughes   1821   Trwysglwyn fawr   Female servant   Amlwch   1509
John   Williams   1791   Trwysglwyn fawr   Mariner   Amlwch   1510
Richard   Humphrey   1816   Trwysglwyn fawr   Agricultural Labourer   Amlwch   1511
Owen   Jones   1826   Trwysglwyn fawr   Agricultural Labourer   Amlwch   1512
William   Roberts   1826   Trwysglwyn fawr   Agricultural Labourer   Amlwch   1513
Thomas   Jones   1826   Trwysglwyn fawr   Agricultural Labourer   Amlwch   1514

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Re: Edward Parry (occup: huntsman), father of Henry Parry (b 1820 Amlwch)
« Reply #12 on: Friday 31 July 15 22:33 BST (UK) »

I stumbled upon the following post on amlwch data which rather confusingly seems to show another Edward and Grace Parry couple living at the farm nearby Trwysglwyn Isaf , Amlwch in 1851.

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,"Might …
…Here they are in 1841:
Trwysglwyn Isaf, Amlwch, Anglesey, Wales
PARRY, Owen 50 Agricultural Labourer
PARRY, Grace 50
PARRY, Richard 15 Copper Miner
PARRY, James 14 Copper Miner
PARRY Catherine 4
PARRY Edward 3

Here they are in 1851:
Trwysglwyn Isaf, Amlwch, Anglesey, Wales
PARRY, Edward 66 Copper Miner
PARRY, Grace 68 Wife
PARRY, Richard 24 Copper Miner
PARRY, James 22 Copper Miner


The census information quoted seems wrong:

In 1841 at Trysglwyn Isaf, Amlwch are Robert Roberts 30, Martha 40, Thomas 14, William 11 and some younger children (HO107/1362,1/48/page2) while in 1851 at the same address are John Jones 36, Cathrine 39 and six children (HO107/2521/359/page6).
The names and ages for the Parry families above are (almost) correct for the Edward & Grace Parry families at Trosyrafon, Amlwch in 1841 (HO107/1362,1/49/page3) and at Glanyrafon, Amlwch in 1851 (HO107/2521/358/page4) except that, in 1841, Edward Parry aged 3 is absent and Edward Parry is head of the family, not Owen.

The marriage of William Parry and Elizabeth Morris links William to this Edward & Grace Parry. The details are - 9 Mar 1840 at Llandyfrydog parish church, William Parry full age, bachelor, labourer of Trosyrafon, Amlwch son of Edward Parry, miner married Elizabeth Morris full age, spinster of Llyncoch, dau of Owen Morris, smith. But I haven't established that Henry Parry is his brother.
Anglesey - Thomas:
Bodedern, Heneglwys, Llanfair-yn-Neubwll.
Anglesey - Jones:
Llanfaethlu, Llanfair-yn-Neubwll, Rhoscolyn.
Anglesey - Parry:Llanfair-yn-Neubwll.
Anglesey - Lewis:Llanbadrig.
Anglesey - Willins & Tyran/Tyrer

Caernarvonshire - Evans and Lewis:Llanberis.

Denbighshire - Jenkins:Llandynan, Llantysilio, Cerrigydrudion.
Denbighshire - Jones:Rhos, Ruabon.
Denbighshire - Jones:Henllan

Flintshire - Mathews:Northop

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Re: Edward Parry (occup: huntsman), father of Henry Parry (b 1820 Amlwch)
« Reply #13 on: Friday 31 July 15 23:41 BST (UK) »
Thanks.

The error seems to originate from here - http://www.amlwchhistory.co.uk/newdata/censuslist.htm

Finally have a proper internet connection again and a new findmypast sub so will get onto it soon. :)

edit to add: can you make out the place of birth for Edward in the 1851 census?

Cheers

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Re: Edward Parry (occup: huntsman), father of Henry Parry (b 1820 Amlwch)
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 01 August 15 09:12 BST (UK) »

edit to add: can you make out the place of birth for Edward in the 1851 census?


It looks like Llaneilian to me - with Llandyfrydog crossed out.
Anglesey - Thomas:
Bodedern, Heneglwys, Llanfair-yn-Neubwll.
Anglesey - Jones:
Llanfaethlu, Llanfair-yn-Neubwll, Rhoscolyn.
Anglesey - Parry:Llanfair-yn-Neubwll.
Anglesey - Lewis:Llanbadrig.
Anglesey - Willins & Tyran/Tyrer

Caernarvonshire - Evans and Lewis:Llanberis.

Denbighshire - Jenkins:Llandynan, Llantysilio, Cerrigydrudion.
Denbighshire - Jones:Rhos, Ruabon.
Denbighshire - Jones:Henllan

Flintshire - Mathews:Northop

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Re: Edward Parry (occup: huntsman), father of Henry Parry (b 1820 Amlwch)
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 01 August 15 10:59 BST (UK) »

edit to add: can you make out the place of birth for Edward in the 1851 census?


It looks like Llaneilian to me - with Llandyfrydog crossed out.

Thanks. It's proving impossible to prove for sure that this Edward is Henry's father. I believe I have found one of the witnesses to Henry's wedding, a Griffith Roberts.

This Griffith Roberts, born Tynymynys, Amlwch, Anglesey, 1823 to Thomas Roberts and Gwen Thomas lives at Tynymynys with his father Thomas in 1841, very close to Edward and Grace Parry (two pages ahead). 

Griffith marries Elizabeth Owen (who's father is transcribed as John Owen) in 1847. Sadly the document is heavily blotted, it's very difficult to read.

From 1851 to 1881 he is recorded as living at Corwas, Llaneilian. Initially Griffith works on the mines as an Engine Driver, just like Henry. He's a farmer in 1881 and dies before the 1891 census. His wife continues to live at Corwas and dies sometime between the 1901 and 1911 census presumably.

Note that in the 1871 and 1891 censuses, Corwas is listed beside Glanyrafon.

Griffith's father Thomas marries Gwen Thomas at Llandyfrydog, Anglesey, Wales in 1808. Witnesses are William Thomas and Samuel Roose.

I'm yet to check the baptism records of all the children but on the balance of probabilities I think Griffith is Henry's cousin on the side of their mothers, Gwen and Grace Thomas.

The smoking gun would be to match the baptism records of Gwen and Grace above. However I can only find Grace's baptism record which is think is 1791, daughter of Wm Thomas and Ellin.

Interestingly, Griffith's father in law John Owen (who lives at Corwas in 1841,51) ends up at pengraigwen, Llandyfrydog in 1861.

I think this is suggestive that Henry is Griffith's cousin. My mother recorded Henry's grandson Henry Parry as born at pengraigwen, 1883. I think she may have the birth certificate. Will get onto her. This pengraigwen is next door to Tyn y Lon which I think is the Tyn Lon where Henry lived. 
 
Thought the following may help to illustrate this. This is Henry's (the one born 1883) son Hugh with Ellen Parry his grandmother and Lily Elizabeth Parry (nee George) his mother in 1926.




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Re: Edward Parry (occup: huntsman), father of Henry Parry (b 1820 Amlwch)
« Reply #16 on: Monday 03 August 15 16:25 BST (UK) »
As given on the 1841 marriage record of Henry Parry and Elinor Jones, the address of Elinor's father, Owen Jones, is Tyn y Mynydd.

Thomas Roberts also lives there in 1841. Thomas and Gwen Roberts, a Richard and Catherine Owen and a William and Mary Jones in 1851.

It is the address of the Owen Jones family along with Henry Pary in 1841. It is later the address of Thomas and Gwen's son Samuel Tudor Roberts (abt 1829 Amlwch, Anglesey, Wales,) in later censuses. Gwen is at Brimstone Yard in 1871.

What are we to make of all this? It doesn't seem to prove anything conclusively but is nonetheless interesting.

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Re: Edward Parry (occup: huntsman), father of Henry Parry (b 1820 Amlwch)
« Reply #17 on: Monday 03 August 15 18:05 BST (UK) »
nevermind. :)