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Noah Palmer and Brittainia Cooper
« on: Monday 27 July 15 15:15 BST (UK) »
i have noah and brittainia in the 1861 cencus.i know they were a posh rat family and that they had childen born later in the 1860s baptised in london.they then went to america(OHIO)WHERE NOAH KILLED HIS WIFE AND DIED SOON AFTER.WE THINK BUT HAVE NO PROOF that noah was born in 1826 and that his mother was possibly lydia smith daughter of sophia lee/chilcott/buckland.no idea which surname would be hers???brittiania was the daughter of nelson cooper brother of matthias cooper the royal rat catcher.
we have searched for years for the beginning of Noah???there is no sign of him before 1861.i wonder does anyone of any further info?
he says he was born in london but i wonder if there is a london in USA and maybe he was born there?
lydia smith buried in Ohio with noash and his wife says she is the grandmother of brittainia,
sorry this is such a mix up buts its just the pieces we have managed to pick up over the years.
we would really love to knock down this brick wall.
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Re: Noah Palmer and Brittainia Cooper
« Reply #1 on: Monday 27 July 15 16:14 BST (UK) »
1861 for information (Children listed in age order)

Bridgewater  Bridgwater, Somerset  RG9 /1624 f128 p14

Noah Palmer   35 bn London - Inn Keeper & Horse dealer
Brittanica Palmer 30 bn London
Nathaniel Palmer 8 bn North Petherton, Somerset
Isabella Palmer   6 bn America
Merila Palmer   2 bn America

The daughters (Lydia Isabella & Mazella  :-\ ) who were born in America were christened in Chelsea in 1863
A son Charles was christened in 1864 in Camden Town fathers occ Horse dealer. 
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Re: Noah Palmer and Brittainia Cooper
« Reply #2 on: Monday 27 July 15 16:19 BST (UK) »
Reports in the US papers in 1890, following the murder of his wife and his own suicide, put his age as 70.
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Re: Noah Palmer and Brittainia Cooper
« Reply #3 on: Monday 27 July 15 16:34 BST (UK) »
Some background on Britannia Cooper's family http://gypsygenealogy.com/showarticle.php?article_id=148
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Re: Noah Palmer and Brittainia Cooper
« Reply #4 on: Monday 27 July 15 16:39 BST (UK) »
1861 for information (Children listed in age order)

Bridgewater, Somerset  RG9 /1624 f128 p14


Just to be pedantic - it's Bridgwater! ;D :-X
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Re: Noah Palmer and Brittainia Cooper
« Reply #5 on: Monday 27 July 15 16:43 BST (UK) »
1861 for information (Children listed in age order)

Bridgewater, Somerset  RG9 /1624 f128 p14


Just to be pedantic - it's Bridgwater! ;D :-X

Sorry KG  ;D   ;D   ;D   Not sure why I put an E in there as I do know better
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Re: Noah Palmer and Brittainia Cooper
« Reply #6 on: Monday 27 July 15 16:51 BST (UK) »
I wondered why I had so much trouble finding the family in 1861?

Ancestry have the wife as Brillanca?! ::)


Rosie, don't worry about the extra "e" - so many people spell it that way! ;D
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Re: Noah Palmer and Brittainia Cooper
« Reply #7 on: Monday 27 July 15 17:05 BST (UK) »
unfortunately i have this info but thanks for working on it.i badly want to find his birth or his perants or his marriage or him somewhere before 1861 in the cencus???
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Re: Noah Palmer and Brittainia Cooper
« Reply #8 on: Monday 27 July 15 17:35 BST (UK) »
Some of the English papers say that Noah Palmer was a native of Nether Stowey, near Bridgwater, Somersetshire, and formerly innkeeper there.

(Western Gazette 16 May 1890,  Western Daily Press 14 May 1890)
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