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Emma Hume Simpson, wife of Arthur Barwick Simpson. Did Emma die in 1880?
« on: Saturday 01 August 15 04:17 BST (UK) »
  Emma Hume, daughter of William Wheler Hume and Lucy Towers, married Rev. Arthur Barwick Simpson in Quarter ending June 1864 in Hastings, Sussex. In 1871, they were living in Bexhill and in 1881 Arthur was a widower living in Fittleworth.

  I am wondering if it was Emma who died on 4th May 1880 in the Ticehurst Asylum? Arthur is the Rector at Fittleworth in 1881. I wonder if Emma was buried there?

So I am hoping to get:

1. Confirmation of the date of death for Emma.

2. Emma's date of birth. I only have a baptism record of 7th August 1837 in Scaldwell, Northamptonshire.

3. The date when Arthur and Emma married would be a bonus.

4. ... and the date of birth for their daughter Lucy Hume Simpson born in Quarter ending June 1868 would be the icing on the cake.

Any help will be much appreciated.
Thanks
Richard
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Re: Emma Hume Simpson, wife of Arthur Barwick Simpson. Did Emma die in 1880?
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 01 August 15 08:28 BST (UK) »
Hello Richard

I have found Lucy

Baptised at Bexhill
Lucy Hume Simpson
Baptised 10 May 1868
BORN 31 March 1868
Daughter of Arthur Barwick Simpson & Emma
Dad a Clerk

Possible burial for Emma
8 May 1880,aged 43, at Fittleworth
Extra info,RECORT,not sure what this means

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Re: Emma Hume Simpson, wife of Arthur Barwick Simpson. Did Emma die in 1880?
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 01 August 15 09:28 BST (UK) »
If you go to www.fittleworth.info/FW1.pdf there is some info on Arthur, he was the incumbent from 1876 to 1900, classed as Rector which meant he could collect the tithes owing to the church and presumably his some/all into his coffers.
Looks a nice country church dating from medieval times at least.

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Re: Emma Hume Simpson, wife of Arthur Barwick Simpson. Did Emma die in 1880?
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 01 August 15 15:59 BST (UK) »
So we have:
1. I'm hoping to find something to confirm that the Emma who died 4 May 1880 and was buried 8 May 1880 was in fact the wife of Rev Arthur B Simpson.

2. The birth date for Emma Hume in Northants?

3. The date when Arthur and Emma married?

4. Daughter Lucy was born on 31 March 1868. Thanks Omega 1. Can you say what is your source?

Thank you
Richard
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Re: Emma Hume Simpson, wife of Arthur Barwick Simpson. Did Emma die in 1880?
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 01 August 15 16:11 BST (UK) »
The Standard, London, 8 May 1880

Under "Deaths"

SIMPSON: May 4, Emma, wife of the Rev. Arthur B. Simpson, rector of Fittleworth, Sussex.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Emma Hume Simpson, wife of Arthur Barwick Simpson. Did Emma die in 1880?
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 02 August 15 06:03 BST (UK) »
Thanks AVM. I wonder where you saw the Standard entry? I have FindMyPast but couldn't find it in the newspapers.

However, I did find "Simpson-Hume On the 7th inst. at St Mary Magdalen, St Leonards-on-Sea, the Rev Arthur Barwick Simpson to Emma, daughter of the Rev William Wheler Hume, incumbent of the above parish."

So ... if only I could find the birth date for Emma in Northants in 1837. Perhaps I'll post specifically on the Northamptonshire page.

Thanks to all who've helped me.
Richard
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Re: Emma Hume Simpson, wife of Arthur Barwick Simpson. Did Emma die in 1880?
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 02 August 15 09:47 BST (UK) »
The Standard entry for the death can be seen on Findmypast.

On their Newspapers search page, enter surname Simpson, keyword Fittleworth, and narrow the dates to 1880.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Emma Hume Simpson, wife of Arthur Barwick Simpson. Did Emma die in 1880?
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 02 August 15 09:57 BST (UK) »
As to Emma's birthdate - a FreeBMD search does not bring up a GRO birth registration for her.

This suggests that either she was born before 1 July 1837, when civil registration was introduced, or she was born after that date but was not registered.

It would be worth checking with the local register office in case there is a registration which didn't make it into the index.

Failing that, the places where a birthdate might have been recorded include:

The baptism register.  Have you seen the register for her baptism, or just a transcription? Some did and some did not record birthdates (where they do appear they are often squeezed into the margin).

The Hume family bible.  Bound to have been one in a clergy family.  But does it survive?  Traditionally the dates of family BMD events were inscribed at the beginning as they happened.

A family "birthday book". Fashionable for girls/ladies in the 19th century.  But again, survival is the problem.


Her death cert will give her age but not her birthdate, which does not appear on death certs before 1969.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Emma Hume Simpson, wife of Arthur Barwick Simpson. Did Emma die in 1880?
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 02 August 15 14:21 BST (UK) »
Hello Richard

Your welcome.

My source,Sussex Family History Group.Members have online access to Baptisums & Burials

King regards

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James,Gibby,David/Davies,Evan/s,Edward,Thomas,Griffith,Brown,Richards,Phillipps
Carmarthenshire
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Kent,Curties,Harris/Cleverly
Buckinhamshire
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Scotland,Riddle

Todd,could be Old Windsor or somewhere I Lincolnshire,John Todd didn't seem to know