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Offline Craig1985taylor

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Is there a farm or area know as Achingal near Cullen?
« on: Sunday 02 August 15 12:34 BST (UK) »
Hi guys I'm trying to find a place named Achingal? On my ancestors marriage document it states

 "May 7th 1722, James Tailiour in Achingal contracted marriage with Ann Hay in Cullen"

I'd like to find out where this place is so I could try & work out who his parents would of been. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks Craig
Taylor (Cullen, Banff)
Eddison - Mitchel (Cullen, Banff)
Clark - Andrew (Rathven, Banff)
Flett - Campbell (Findochty, Banff)
Elder - Stewart (Lossiemouth, Morray)
Noble - Forbes (Footdee, Aberdeen)
Smith - Russell (Footdee, Aberdeen)
Roberts - Green (Twyning, Gloucestershire)

Butt (Kidderminster, Worcestershire)
Hartshorne - Goodall (Broseley, Shropshire)
Moore - Mallard (Kidderminster, Worcestershire)
Brooke - Shin (Bromsgrove, Worcestershire)
Weaver - Cole (Kidderminster, Worcestershire)

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Re: Is there a farm or area know as Achingal near Cullen?
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 02 August 15 13:04 BST (UK) »
Hi,
I just googled Achingal and a place called Achingale, near Wick came up on an estate agent website. www.georgesonsproperty.co.uk.
Also on www.scotlandsplaces.gov.uk
there is an Achingale Mill
They are in the right part of the country so may be of some help.
Good Luck
Anne
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Re: Is there a farm or area know as Achingal near Cullen?
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 02 August 15 13:24 BST (UK) »
Hi,
I just googled Achingal and a place called Achingale, near Wick came up on an estate agent website. www.georgesonsproperty.co.uk.
Also on www.scotlandsplaces.gov.uk
there is an Achingale Mill
They are in the right part of the country so may be of some help.
Good Luck
Anne

Thank you, that's given me a start I'll have a look at that area for births for a James ☺
Taylor (Cullen, Banff)
Eddison - Mitchel (Cullen, Banff)
Clark - Andrew (Rathven, Banff)
Flett - Campbell (Findochty, Banff)
Elder - Stewart (Lossiemouth, Morray)
Noble - Forbes (Footdee, Aberdeen)
Smith - Russell (Footdee, Aberdeen)
Roberts - Green (Twyning, Gloucestershire)

Butt (Kidderminster, Worcestershire)
Hartshorne - Goodall (Broseley, Shropshire)
Moore - Mallard (Kidderminster, Worcestershire)
Brooke - Shin (Bromsgrove, Worcestershire)
Weaver - Cole (Kidderminster, Worcestershire)

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Re: Is there a farm or area know as Achingal near Cullen?
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 02 August 15 14:02 BST (UK) »
There is an Auchingal mentioned on page 21 of this document http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~duff/BairdDuffBook.pdf
It looks like this one is in Banffshire around the Cullen/Findochty area.


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Re: Is there a farm or area know as Achingal near Cullen?
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 02 August 15 14:57 BST (UK) »
There is an Auchingal mentioned on page 21 of this document http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~duff/BairdDuffBook.pdf
It looks like this one is in Banffshire around the Cullen/Findochty area.

Thank you that's amazing. So it looks like my James would of been born somewhere near Cullen/Findochty area.
Taylor (Cullen, Banff)
Eddison - Mitchel (Cullen, Banff)
Clark - Andrew (Rathven, Banff)
Flett - Campbell (Findochty, Banff)
Elder - Stewart (Lossiemouth, Morray)
Noble - Forbes (Footdee, Aberdeen)
Smith - Russell (Footdee, Aberdeen)
Roberts - Green (Twyning, Gloucestershire)

Butt (Kidderminster, Worcestershire)
Hartshorne - Goodall (Broseley, Shropshire)
Moore - Mallard (Kidderminster, Worcestershire)
Brooke - Shin (Bromsgrove, Worcestershire)
Weaver - Cole (Kidderminster, Worcestershire)

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Re: Is there a farm or area know as Achingal near Cullen?
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 02 August 15 20:23 BST (UK) »
"In Achingal" means that Achingal is a place in Cullen where the marriage was contracted.  There is a James Tailor born in 1731 in Cullen, Banffshire which is a possible.

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Re: Is there a farm or area know as Achingal near Cullen?
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 02 August 15 21:00 BST (UK) »
"In Achingal" means that Achingal is a place in Cullen where the marriage was contracted.  There is a James Tailor born in 1731 in Cullen, Banffshire which is a possible.

They were married in 1722. The 1731 is his son being born. I am at a loss at the moment as to his birth?  It must of been around 1700 give or take.
Taylor (Cullen, Banff)
Eddison - Mitchel (Cullen, Banff)
Clark - Andrew (Rathven, Banff)
Flett - Campbell (Findochty, Banff)
Elder - Stewart (Lossiemouth, Morray)
Noble - Forbes (Footdee, Aberdeen)
Smith - Russell (Footdee, Aberdeen)
Roberts - Green (Twyning, Gloucestershire)

Butt (Kidderminster, Worcestershire)
Hartshorne - Goodall (Broseley, Shropshire)
Moore - Mallard (Kidderminster, Worcestershire)
Brooke - Shin (Bromsgrove, Worcestershire)
Weaver - Cole (Kidderminster, Worcestershire)

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Re: Is there a farm or area know as Achingal near Cullen?
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 02 August 15 21:25 BST (UK) »
I just googled Achingal and a place called Achingale, near Wick came up on an estate agent website. www.georgesonsproperty.co.uk.
Also on www.scotlandsplaces.gov.uk
there is an Achingale Mill
They are in the right part of the country so may be of some help.

Wick is a very long way from Cullen in early 18th century terms, and by no stretch of the imagination could this Achingale near Wick be or in even near the parish of Cullen. If the people involved had been resident in a part of the country so far away, the parish clerk would normally have said 'Achingal in the parish of Wick' or whichever parish it was in. I am willing to bet that this Achingale in Caithness is a complete red herring.

The record you quoted seems to come from the Cullen parish register, and the parish of Cullen was quite small in area, so you can be confident that wherever it was, it is very close indeed to the present town of Cullen. The parish of Cullen extended about 2 miles north to south and 1 mile east to west, before it was enlarged by the addition of a quoad sacra annexation of 3 miles by two miles, which includes the village of Portknockie. I do not know when the annexation was added to Cullen, but it was before the 1790s, because it is mentioned in the Statistical Account. It would be very relevant to know when this happened, because if it was after 1722 you can be sure that James Taylor and Ann Hay both lived in the two square miles of the original parish of Cullen proper.

Achingal may even have been obliterated by the present town, because the upper town was built in about 1830, so it didn't exist when James Taylor and Ann Hay got married in the parish over 100 years before. 'Cullen' in the 1722 marriage record will refer to Old Cullen, a small village in the parish of Cullen close to where Cullen House now stands.

If you really want to find Achingal, your best bet would be to take a look at the Seafield Estate papers. These are in the National Archives Records of Scotland in Edinburgh - but be warned, there are 2½ tons of documents in the Seafield collection. (In spite of the amount of paper it is possible to find gems in it - I found a letter written in his own hand from my umpteenth-great-grandfather to the factor making an offer for the tenancy of a farm on Seafield land in 1771)
Never trust anything you find online (especially submitted trees and transcriptions on Ancestry, MyHeritage, FindMyPast and other commercial web sites) unless it's an image of an original document - and even then be wary because errors can and do occur.

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Re: Is there a farm or area know as Achingal near Cullen?
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 02 August 15 22:03 BST (UK) »
I just googled Achingal and a place called Achingale, near Wick came up on an estate agent website. www.georgesonsproperty.co.uk.
Also on www.scotlandsplaces.gov.uk
there is an Achingale Mill
They are in the right part of the country so may be of some help.

Wick is a very long way from Cullen in early 18th century terms, and by no stretch of the imagination could this Achingale near Wick be or in even near the parish of Cullen. If the people involved had been resident in a part of the country so far away, the parish clerk would normally have said 'Achingal in the parish of Wick' or whichever parish it was in. I am willing to bet that this Achingale in Caithness is a complete red herring.

The record you quoted seems to come from the Cullen parish register, and the parish of Cullen was quite small in area, so you can be confident that wherever it was, it is very close indeed to the present town of Cullen. The parish of Cullen extended about 2 miles north to south and 1 mile east to west, before it was enlarged by the addition of a quoad sacra annexation of 3 miles by two miles, which includes the village of Portknockie. I do not know when the annexation was added to Cullen, but it was before the 1790s, because it is mentioned in the Statistical Account. It would be very relevant to know when this happened, because if it was after 1722 you can be sure that James Taylor and Ann Hay both lived in the two square miles of the original parish of Cullen proper.

Achingal may even have been obliterated by the present town, because the upper town was built in about 1830, so it didn't exist when James Taylor and Ann Hay got married in the parish over 100 years before. 'Cullen' in the 1722 marriage record will refer to Old Cullen, a small village in the parish of Cullen close to where Cullen House now stands.

If you really want to find Achingal, your best bet would be to take a look at the Seafield Estate papers. These are in the National Archives Records of Scotland in Edinburgh - but be warned, there are 2½ tons of documents in the Seafield collection. (In spite of the amount of paper it is possible to find gems in it - I found a letter written in his own hand from my umpteenth-great-grandfather to the factor making an offer for the tenancy of a farm on Seafield land in 1771)

Thank you that's reaffirmed my original suspicion that it was a farm or area close by to  the present town of Cullen. I live in Worcestershire England & haven't ever been to Cullen so it's hard to really get an idea of the area they lived in. you have helped explain things a little to be now thank you :) it seems I have some more digging to do to find out who this James Taylor was.
Taylor (Cullen, Banff)
Eddison - Mitchel (Cullen, Banff)
Clark - Andrew (Rathven, Banff)
Flett - Campbell (Findochty, Banff)
Elder - Stewart (Lossiemouth, Morray)
Noble - Forbes (Footdee, Aberdeen)
Smith - Russell (Footdee, Aberdeen)
Roberts - Green (Twyning, Gloucestershire)

Butt (Kidderminster, Worcestershire)
Hartshorne - Goodall (Broseley, Shropshire)
Moore - Mallard (Kidderminster, Worcestershire)
Brooke - Shin (Bromsgrove, Worcestershire)
Weaver - Cole (Kidderminster, Worcestershire)