Sorting out John Shaw

[Stanwix England]

Hello,

I have a John Shaw in my family tree. (I am connected to him via his daughter Harriet Shaw who was born in 1840 in Heywood, Lancashire.)

What I know for certain is that John Shaw appears on the 1851 census (with Harriet, his wife Ann and other children). Here it says he was born in Ashton in about 1816.

I believe I have also traced him on the 1861 and 1871 census. On the 1861 census his birth place is given as Lees. 

This is where I get a bit confused.

On the 51 and 61 census records I have for him, his occupation is related to cotton spinning.

I also found an entry for a 71 census for a John Shaw with a wife Ann, born in Lees, but this time his occupation is dealing tea. 

This has made me wonder if I have the wrong John Shaw for 71?

I have a baptism record for 22 December 1816 which lists a John Shaw as being baptised at Shaw Holy Trinity church, with the parents James Shaw and Ann Wild.

Until now I've not found a marriage record for my John Shaw, but he must have married around 1840 because his first child, my Harriet, was born in 1840. Although he could have been living in sin I suppose.

I was happy I had all of his details correctly until I got a 'hint' today for a marriage which took place between a John Shaw and an Ann Boden, parents Joseph Shaw and Samuel Boden, in 21 October 1838 in Oldham, St Mary's Lancashire. There is an original image of the entry and it lists his occupation as a spinner. Neither of the father's professions are given so I'm assuming they were unemployed or deceased at the time of the marriage. I can only think this record wasn't available to me before because I don't recall seeing it before today.

It does seem to fit my John Shaw rather nicely. The date of the marriage ties in with the date of his first born child and so does his occupation.

So what do we think Rootschatters? Does this seem like the most likely marriage for him and that the baptism I found is for another John Shaw?

Also as regards the 1871 census how likely is a spinner to become a tea dealer, and was I looking at the wrong John Shaw here?

[keyboard86]

Hi I can supply the 1841 for you:-

John Shaw 25 occ Cotton Spinner
Ann 20
Harriot 1
Residing at Heady Hill, Bury
Census ref HO107/569 /1/29 / 9
Keyboard86

[Stanwix England]

Thank you that is really helpful.

I think I've partially answered my own question about the 1871 census. I found a marriage record for one of this other children and it seems that his occupation is Grocer there, so it does seem that he changes job.

Still not any the wiser on his marriage though.

[keyboard86]

Hi again looking at the ages and pob of John and Ann in 1861 and comparing with 1871 looks to be same couple to me, both born Lees
Census ref RG10/4102/69/1
Keyboard86

[chempat]

Birth certificate of one of his children will give the mother's maiden name, to confirm marriage?

[trish1120]

Possible Marriage, worth noting if it fits in later;
Samuel BODEN abode Oldham, Married Mary HOWARTH of Oldham, 13 July 1817, St Mary, Prestwich, Lancashire
(Source FreeREG)

[heatherjulie]

Hi
On www.lancashirebmd.org.uk
Harriet Shaw birth registered 1839 Heywood mother's maiden name Hibbert
Harriet Shaw birth registered 1840 Uppermill, Saddleworth mmn Whitehead

[heatherjulie]

James Shaw and Alice Hibbert in 1841 at Middleton St Leonard

[heatherjulie]

William Henry Shaw registered 1841 Heywood mmn Hibbert this fits in with 1861 census
Elizabeth A Shaw birth registered 1847 Manchester(London Road) mmn Hibbert
Mary Ann Shaw birth registered 1851 Chadderton mmn Hibbert
Ellen Shaw birth registered 1854 Oldham Below Town mmn Hibbert
Elizabeth Shaw birth registered 1857 Oldham Below Town mmn Hibbert