very confused about the malens

[teddygreen1]

hi i am trying to find out about my great great great grandmother holy davis born 1848 in dudley she married a  joseph mallen 1864 in tipton. she then moved to liverpool and had a daughtercalled elisa mallen in west derby which can be verified by birth certificate. then she moved  back to birmingham and was listed in 1871 as helen we think !!!! we then have no records for her until 1891or 1901 where we think she was holliann rooney prmirose hill Worcestershire. this is confirmed as her because she has some of her children fro joseph with her  in 1891, we also have eliza who married john henry smith had her farther living with them in 1891 . did they divorce  i wondering . thanks

[CaroleW]

Divorce at that time was for the rich.  More likely they just lived separately.   Were any children born between 1871-1881?

[keyboard86]

Hi can anyone tell me about the RG11/2999/20/34
Keyboard86

[crisane]

A base from which to work.
1871 RG10 piece 3119 folio 112 page 7
Birmingham Warwickshire
Joseph Mallen  30 Hollow ?? Turner Bilston, Staffordshire
Helen Mallen  24 Primrose Hill, Worcestershire
Elisa Mallen  2 Liverpool,


Births June 1848 Hoby Davis reg. dist. Dudley  vol 18 page 296 FreeBMD is running slow and won't let me access the notes at the moment.

[keyboard86]

  Hi old friend now compare 1881?!

Keyboard

[crisane]

This one keyboard? certainly looks like them. especially with a mother-in-law Davis but Helen has become Eliza and is listed further down!
1881 Rg11/2999/20/34
New John St West Birmingham
George Malen head married  40  Iron Turner, Bilston, Staffordshire
Eliza Malen daughter  12 Liverpool, Lancashire
Richard J Malen son 9 Birmingham, Warwickshire
Joseph Malen son 6  scholar Birmingham, Warwickshire
Elizabeth Malen daughter 5  Scholar Birmingham, Warwickshire
Florence Malen daughter  2  Worcester, Worcestershire
Eliza Malen wife married 33 No birth place recorded!
Theatosha (Theodosia?) Davis Lodger Widow 73  Madeley, Shropshire

[crisane]

Got any ideas for the 1891? I'm having no luck as yet.

[crisane]

According to a tree on ancestry Theodosia died in 1883 and the informant on her death certificate was Holery Mallen. Holery Mallen, formerly Davies, was also the name on Eliza's birth certificate 1869.
Where do you get a marriage date of 1864 for Joseph and Holery/Holly/Helen?  I can't find anything on FreeBMD

Found it then lost it again 

[teddygreen1]

hi everyone thank you for looking much appreciated.
ive got some facts of helen/ holly/ hollier marriages for you
to joseph mullen staffordshire   6c 203
to christopher rooney 6b 1863,
ive also found census 1891    2431  82 page 27 with her listed as ann rooney with azaila mallen living there.