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James Jarvey, a Dyer born c 1776 in "Scotland" but where?
« on: Tuesday 18 August 15 19:41 BST (UK) »
Help/advice would be appreciated on James Jarvey, a Dyer born c 1776 in "Scotland" but where? After 1800 he christened his children in the New Connexion Methodist Chapels of Manchester. I have no other information on where he was born and so have reached a brick wall.

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Re: James Jarvey, a Dyer born c 1776 in "Scotland" but where?
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 19 August 15 10:07 BST (UK) »
Hi , welcome to RootsChat  :)

Can you list his children ?
It might help to identify his parents ?



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Re: James Jarvey, a Dyer born c 1776 in "Scotland" but where?
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 19 August 15 15:47 BST (UK) »


You may know this already but it might help others find James birthplace.

James Jarve   Happelonea Saille
Marriage 12 Nov 1798   Saint John, Stamford, Lincoln


James Jarvey & Applenia (noted on all, various spelling), baptisms
CATHEDRAL,MANCHESTER
George Jarvis 19 Feb 1809
James Jarvey 28 Jul 1811

METHODIST NEW CONNEXION,PENDLETON BY SALFORD,LANCASHIRE
William Jervis 8 Jan 1822
Henry Jervis 22 Jun 1822
Thomas Jervis 21 Mar 1824

1841 Hills Croft, Eccles, Salford, Lancashire

James   Jarvey   Male   60   1781   Scotland   Cotton dyer   
Happelonia   Jarvey   Female   60   1781   - no      
Wm   Jarvey   Male   25   1816   Lancashire, England   Cotton dyer    
Charles   Jarvey   Male   20   1821   Lancashire, England   labourer   Died 1850?
Thomas   Jarvey   Male   15   1826   Lancashire, England   Blacksmith    
Geo   Barrett   Male   11   1830   Lancashire, England      


APOLONIA JARVEY, burial 14 Jul 1848 age 68 (1780) Eccles, Lancashire, wife of James

JAMES JARVEY died 1846 SALFORD, Lancashire

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Re: James Jarvey, a Dyer born c 1776 in "Scotland" but where?
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 20 August 15 07:52 BST (UK) »
Usual spelling in Scotland is Jarvie. Worth bearing in mind when searching.

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Re: James Jarvey, a Dyer born c 1776 in "Scotland" but where?
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 20 August 15 08:01 BST (UK) »
Have you looked at Scotlands People?  There are several James Jarvie possibilities there:

www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk

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Re: James Jarvey, a Dyer born c 1776 in "Scotland" but where?
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 20 August 15 11:58 BST (UK) »
Usual spelling in Scotland is Jarvie. Worth bearing in mind when searching.
And I've seen it as Jarvis. Probably best to search for Jarv* to be sure to cover all bases.

I have some Jarveys in my tree. There are conflicting stories about the origin of the name, though they seem to be agreed that it is from the personal name Gervase.

According to G F Black's The Surnames of Scotland the earliest documented mention of the name is in Stirling in 1527.

There are a lot of trees online saying that John Jarvey, vintner in Bathgate, was born 26 July 1719 in Guienne, Normandy. (Guienne is in Aquitaine, not in Normandy, though there could be another place of the same name in Normandy). They are all copied from a tree by Bonnie Hickox, which contains several major errors.

There is also a tree by Naomi Simpson Beck which says he was George Gervaise, born about 1740 in Guienne, Normandy. This is plainly nonsense as he married in Bathgate in 1748. In any case Beck's tree also contains some other major errors, so cannot be relied on.

There is another tree, not online, of the family of Sir James Young Simpson saying that his grandfather John Jarvey was born at the farm of Boghall in the parish of Bathgate.

A biography of Sir James Young Simpson [Duns, 1873] says that, "John Jarvey, farmer at Balbardie, near Bathgate, was descended from a Huguenot family, who had been settled for some time at Torwood, Stirlingshire, whence they removed, at the latter end of the seventeenth century, to the farm of Boghall, Bathgate, which members of the house held for nearly a hundred years".

Note, however, that the earliest mention of the name, in 1527, is pre-Reformation and therefore before there were such people as Huguenots.

Jervis(e) or Jarvis is also from the personal name Gervase. The earliest mention of this surname, according to Black, was in 1287.

All variants of the name seem to be concentrated in east central Scotland - Stirling, West Lothian, Angus, Peebles, Falkirk.
Never trust anything you find online (especially submitted trees and transcriptions on Ancestry, MyHeritage, FindMyPast and other commercial web sites) unless it's an image of an original document - and even then be wary because errors can and do occur.