Ellen Rice Born c. 1837 Dublin Ireland.

[purplemorpheus]

Hi Tara,
So sorry that I haven't replied until now, just found your post for Ellen O'Neill. 
Thank you for the links and also the article about the birth notice, this is a very interesting bit of information. I found that Ellen Rice--O'Neill had travelled to England when Henry O'Neill died to take care of his probate (he was washed overboard from the ship 'Killarney) so  the birth could be one of their children as some of them are not registered in the New South Wales, Australia Births, Deaths and Marriages and have been hard to pin down.
Again many thanks............Cheers 

[taramcdsmall]

Hiya

There are a couple of Edward Rice possibilities but without a known occupation you could go on a wild goose chase.

Was there nothing re Edward on Ellen's death cert ?

Was there an obit for her or her husband where Edward might has been mentioned ?

Did she have siblings near her in Australia ?

Tara

[purplemorpheus]

Hi Tara, 
No occupation was mentioned on her death certificate for her father, just his name Edward and I pretty sure she had no other family here except for her husband Henry O'Neill and their children, one child Adelaide was supposed to have been born on their way to Australia ??.  This is such a hard family to trace as I am finding so much conflicting information on them and so little information as well.

Cheers   

[taramcdsmall]

Hi There

What were the names of all of her children in chronological order ?

You can sometimes get great leads this way.

 Tara

[purplemorpheus]

Hi again Tara,
                 The children are:
                                              1) Adelaide Helena bn: c1861? dd: 1943 New South Wales.
                                              2) Henry bn: 1863 dd:1863 New South Wales.
                                              3)Angela or Annie bn: 1865 and I know nothing about her at all.
                                              4)Jane Elizabeth bn: 1866 dd: 1934. New South Wales.
                                              5)Emily bn: 1870 dd; 1933. New South Wales.
                                              6)Margaret bn: 1873 dd:1875. New South Wales.
                                              7)Ellen bn: 1875 dd: 1876. New South Wales.
                                              8)Mary bn: 1877 dd:1877 New South Wales.
                                              9)John bn: 1877 dd:1877  (Twins) New South Wales

I can only find the births under Ellen's name on the NSW Births, Deaths and Marriages,  except for the birth of the twins John & Mary with both Henry and Ellen listed as the parents.
For some reason Henry O'Neill is not listed on the others. Another mystery.
Can not find Margaret's birth but have her death certificate with both parents names, and Emily's death certificate with her parents names on it .
(Emily is my grandfather's mother on my father's side of the family.)
Henry O'Neill's parent's name's are Martha Gamble and Matthew O'Neill.
So as you can see only one son and daughter have family names. Just more confusion.
And sorry again for the delay in replying but I am not on the computer everyday and I have come down with the flu.
Had the silly flu shot and still managed to get it. lol.
Cheers   

[taramcdsmall]

I was interested in this chap.

There are bits and pieces on him in the newspapers.

His wife was called Anne.

Ellen's second daughter was called Anne ~ HA A stretch I know !

http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014888/005014888_00545.pdf

Tara

[taramcdsmall]

Was there ever discussed the possibility that Ellen & Henry never married ?

I was expecting to see the marriage of a captain in the newspapers but no sign.

Then you said that Henry wasn't mentioned on a lot of the children's records.

HUM, I suppose, given that he was a Captain that he could have married himself, himself 

Tara

[taramcdsmall]

I'll just post the few bits, just incase !

Tara

[taramcdsmall]

1863

Tara