Margaret Graham missing on 1851 and 1871 census

[Rosezi]

Trying to find Margaret Graham and her children on the 1851 census, also Margaret on the 1871 census. Here they are in 1861 census:

 Thomas Graham 1806 - Ayrshire, Scotland,  occupation: Stone mason
Margaret 1811 - County Down (maiden name Seed) 
Margaret 1841 - Liverpool
Hugh 1840 - Liverpool
Thomas 1835 - Liverpool
William 1837 - Liverpool

Margaret is a widow on the 1861 census and her surname is now Chalmer, living alone with her son Hugh in Liverpool. I have found no trace of a second marriage. And by 1881 she reverts back to the surname Graham and is living with her son Hugh and his family in Liverpool.

[keyboard86]

Hi I can see in 1871 a Margaret GRAHAN 60 occ Fruit Hawker b Ireland at Lace Street Court House, Liverpool?
Census Ref RG10/3770/107/21

Keyboard86

[garstonite]

Hiya
was there a sister Jane born 1839 ?
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NVYR-BLN
Thomas  - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NNH8-B68
William -
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J9MZ-1P8
can't find Hugh
a possible other brother ,died only 2 days old - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JCPV-WYC

so - is there a clue in William FERGUSON Graham - maybe we could find that name in 1851 census and hopefully he is with his mother ?
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his marriage in 1859 - so possibly with his mother in 1851 - maybe in Kirkdale ,Liverpool
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NFFS-3XW
sorry - can't find him in 1851 census 
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could this be Margaret Graham in 1871 census - born 1811 Ireland ?.....Ah - this record has her as Graham - Fruit Hawker - Keyboards record has her as Grahan
she has 2 grandchildren with her - named Quin / Quinn - so - do you know whether Margaret Graham the daughter married a Quinn ?
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBFZ-N47
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBFZ-N47

[garstonite]

The only marriage I can find in Liverpool of a Quinn to a Graham is in 1865
Patrick Quinn to ANNIE Graham at St Albans church ,Liverpool
so - did Thomas and Margaret also have a daughter named Annie ??

if not - that Margaret Graham aged 60 - born 1811 Ireland in the 1871 census may be a red herring

[andycand]

Hi

Previous topic re Margaret Graham

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=725972.0

Andy

[andycand]

Hi

I think I might have found Margaret in the 1851 census as Margaret Fife 
HO107; Piece: 2177; Folio: 502; Page: 64.  All the children from the 1841 census are there with the right ages but surnames have been mixed up a bit. Thomas & William both have their step-fathers surname, daughter Margaret is married to Richard Wilson (Welson on Ancestry Index) and somehow Hugh has been indexed as Welson
There is a marriage 18th Sept 1848 at Liverpool, Our Lady & St. Nicholas & St. Anne between Margaret Graham, a widow, father James Seed, and James Fyfe, an engineer.  The image is on Ancestry
LancashireOPC has a marriage at 23 Dec 1849 St Peter, Liverpool between Richard Wilson and Margaret Graham, father Thomas Graham, a stonemason.

Andy

[heywood]

Hello,

That's a good find Andy.

Here is a Chalmers marriage as a result  but name is Mary. However, look at the witnesses 

18 June 1854 Liverpool St Nicholas
Mary Fyfe widow Father, James Seed
John Chalmers father  William Chalmers

Witnesses Richard and Margaret Wilson.

Heywood

[garstonite]

thanks to your great finds - I found this
Burial: 23 Aug 1849 St John, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
James Fyfe -
    Age: 56 years
    Abode: Craven Street

so - is this the husband of Margaret Seeds / Graham ??
it would mean he was 54 /55 when he married in 1848 - what do you think ?...
ADDED- hang on - this throws a spanner in the works - did James and Margaret have a child together ??
Baptism: 22 Sep 1850 St Martin in the Fields, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
James Fyfe - [Child] of James Fyfe & Margaret
    Born: 29 May 1850
    Abode: Hornby St Court 3
    Occupation: Sailor
Andy - was there any occupation for James Fyfe on that 1848 marriage record you found ??
edited - yes - an Engineer - but is he a ships engineer ??...this would make him a Sailor ?

[andycand]

Hi garstonite

James Fyfe is on the 1851 census and on both his marriage and 1851 census was an Engineer.

Andy