Molyneaux and Joseph BELL - New York

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Sacramento Daily Record - Union 10 February 1882 - Judge Joseph Bell New Mexico new Associate of the Supreme Court has arrived in Albuquerque.

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The Albuquerque Morning Journal. 29  September 1882

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The Albuquerque Morning Journal. 13 October 1882

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Las Vegas Daily Gazette. ([Las Vegas, N.M.]), 9 January  1886,

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Las Vegas Daily Gazette. ([Las Vegas, N.M.]), 6 January 1886,

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Also reference to Colonel Molyneaux Bell -

The Albuquerque morning journal. 1October 01 1882.

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Knoxville daily chronicle., October 20, 1880,

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JUDGE JOSEPH BELL DEAD.

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Ex-United States Judge Joseph Bell, for the Territory of New Mexico, died at Pasadena. Cal., on November 27 last, ne was born forty-two years ago in Tennessee. Judge Bell had been suffering for some years with consumption and had been advised by his physician
to go South, but the disease had taken such bold that the genial climate did not in any way better his condition. Soon after the late civil war Judge Bell, then a very young man. came to New York and obtained an appointment in the District Attorney's office. He practised law here for some years, and was subsequently appointed by the late President Arthur to the Judgeship of New Mexico. His term of office expired a little before that of President Arthur, and through the letter's beneficence he was appointed United States District Attorney for New Mexico. The deceased Judge leaves a wife and daughter.The funeral services will be held, tomorrow at the Church of the Incarnation on Madison Avenue and Thirty-fifth street, at half-past nine and the interment will follow, at Woodlawn.


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California Death Index - Daughter of Joseph Bell and Isabel Sturges - Dorothy Bell Dyer - 10 Jun 1874 New York - Passed Away 4 March 1959 Alameda - Mother's Maiden Name Sturges - Father's Surname Bell.

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Husband George Palmer Dyer - 5 Feb 1876 Other Country - 1948 Santa Barbara California

Burial - Arlington National Cemetery Arlington Arlington County Virginia.
Plot: Sec: 3, Site: 1940

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MARRIED ON UNITED STATES SHIP.

Annapolis  Md. Oct 9 1901   —Passed Assistant Paymaster George P, Palmer Dyer, United States Navy, and Miss Marie Dorothy Sturges Bell were married on board the United States steamship Santee here to-day. The bride Is a daughter of the late Judge Joseph Bell, while the bridegroom is
a son of the Professor of French and German at the Naval Academy. Special permission
was obtained from Secretary Long to have the ceremony performed on the Santee,
The Rev. Dr Mc Comas officiated at the servlce.  To-night the Santee was illuminated
brilliantly. and a reception and danoe were tendered Paymaster and Mrs Dyer on the Vessel. Paymaster Dyer has Just returned from, the Philippines, and is at
present on duty In Washington.

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Precinct 8, Washington, District of Columbia 1910 - Dorothy, husband George Dye and children.

George D Dyer   34  Officer Navy. Imm 1877. NA. Married 1 for 8 years.
Dorothy B Dyer   33 Born NY. Father Tennessee. Mother New York.
George B Dyer   7 Born District Columbia.
Elizabeth D Dyer  3 Born Maine.
Rosa A Camerson 32 Servant.
Elmira T Hoban   21 Servant.
Irene Hoban   39 Servant.

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George Bell Dyer - son of George Dyer and Dorothy Bell
12 April 1903 passed away November 1978 18938, New Hope, Bucks, Pennsylvania.
There is a passport application that has a photograph of George Bell Dyer and also Veteran Compensation Application Files, WWII, 1950-1959 - 13 June 1950

George Bell Dyer (1903-1978) was a distinguished fellow as go Golden Age detective novelists (rather an interesting lot I find).

George Dyer was the great-grandson of George Washington Dyer, grandson of U. S. Navy Commodore George Leland Dyer (1849-1914), once territorial governor of Guam, and son of U. S. Navy Commander and Ivy League footballer George Palmer Dyer (1876-1948), who was born in Montevideo, Uruguay, where his father was stationed.

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Daughter Elizabeth Dorothy Dyer - Married Donald Hamilton Davidson -

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Elisabeth Dorothy Davidson - 1906 - 1970

Burial Mountain View Cemetery  Oakland Alameda County California.

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Husband Donald H Davidson - 10 May 1902 - March 1985
Last Residence - 94595 Walnut Creek, Contra Costa, California

1940 Census showing Elizabeth and Donald with 2 daughters

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[SpudKiwi]

Thanks everyone for all the info. Especially you Sandra, that's fantastic!
I am still a bit confused though.
Molyneaux and Joseph BELL were born in Ireland. Father Robert had to be in Ireland until at least 1845 and mother Eliza until 1849. Robert and Eliza married in 1822.

I dont have a DOB for Molyneaux but he was at school in 1836, so could have been anywhere between 5-15yrs old. A DOB of 1826 such as the USA born one states is right in the ball park making him 10y in 1836 and of school age.

Joseph was 8y old when he was on the ship "Elizabeth" which arrived in New York from Belfast in 1849 which would put his DOB abt 1841. So the records stating 1840 are probably on the money also.

I am suspecting more and more that Judge Joseph and Capt Molyneaux are the two brothers from Ireland who for some reason starting saying they were born in USA, on legal documents no less! Is this plausible?

Just to add to the confusion. Their sister Georgina married Capt John Ormsby TREANOR. My knowledge of USA history is a bit sketchy (my apologies, I'm from New Zealand). Would the brothers-in-law have both been in the Civil War? If so, on the same or opposing sides?

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It isn't unusual that people claimed to have been born in the USA when they were born elsewhere.  Of course that could be dependant on who was giving the information on some records.
Joseph and Capt/Colonel Molyneaux Bell do seem to be brothers. Not a lot of info on some of these records but there are references for Civil War Draft Registrations Records, 1863-1865 - Molyneaux Bell - born 1823 England - aged 40 years (on 1 st July 1863) and resident New York.
U.S., Returns from Military Posts, 1806-1916 - Molyneaux Bell - July 1864/August 1864 - Post Commander- Speed S Fry -  Naches River & Na-ches, Fort (WA) - Noveleta (PI)
U.S., Returns from Military Posts, 1806-1916 - Molyneaux Bell - October 1864 - Post Commander -
Thomas D Sedgwick - Naches River & Na-ches, Fort (WA) - Noveleta (PI)
There are mentions of a Joseph Bell in Civil War Records but difficult to pick out and positively identify which ones are him. Not sure where in Ireland the family originally came from but there was one record Joseph Bell born 1842 County Derry - enlisted 1862 mustered out 1 Sept 1865.

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Foreigners in the Confederacy - Page 253 - mentions  Captain John Ormsby Treanor

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U.S. Civil War Soldiers, 1861-1865 - John O. Treanor - Confederate - 1st Regiment, Tennessee Infantry (Feild's) - Private - B Company.

Civil War Soldier Records and Profiles, 1861-1865 - John Ormsby Treanor - 16 May 1839 - Clerk - Private - Tennessee - Enlisted in Company B, Tennessee 1st Infantry Regiment. Promoted to Full 1st Lieutenant. Promoted to Full Captain. Passed away 6 Mar 1911 Nashville, Tennessee.

You may already have these but just in case . Photograph of Capt John Ormsby Trenor

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Burial -  Mount Olivet Cemetery  Nashville Davidson County Tennessee.
Plot: Section 2 - Lot 41

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Georgina Bell Treanor 1843 - 1912

Children John Bell Treanor  1872 - 1938 and Anna Bell Treanor  1877 - 1953

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From the National Police Gazette (New York), October 7 1848:

ATTEMPTED TO KILL HIS BRIDE

A person by the name of Molyneaux Bell, employed as a salesman in an extensive dry goods store in the city, was recently arrested and held to bail by Justice Bleakley in the sum of $1000, to answer a charge of having violently seized his wife Mrs Mary Augusta Bell by the throat, dragged her on the floor, and threatened to take her life with a dumb bell which he brandished over her head, in the course of five or six weeks after the parties had been united in the holy bonds of matrimony.