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Is M'Daniel a Variant of McDonald
« on: Thursday 27 August 15 04:04 BST (UK) »
Hello
I struck out with 3 Thomas McDonald death certs obtained from the GRO. The Civil Registration Index on familysearch does have a Thomas M'Daniel. Is this a possibility? I have a few records where McDonnell is used, but I am not sure about M'Daniel. Any thoughts welcomed and appreciated.
By the way, I did find his wife, Sarah's death cert from Raheen, where I expect to find Thomas.
Thanks!
Baker, Dorey: Dorset, England > Quincy, Massachusetts
Peddle: England > Newfoundland
Magner: Co. Cork, Ireland > Boston
Otto: Eisfeld, Thuringia, Germany > Boston
McDonald: Co. Carlow, Ireland > Fall River, Massachusetts
Thayer: North Bridgewater & Easton, Massachusetts
Marks: Laceiras, Lisbon, Portugal
Gilmore: Co. Westmeath, Ireland > North Bridgewater, Massachusetts

Farnum, Phillips: Barbados>England

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Re: Is M'Daniel a Variant of McDonald
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 27 August 15 05:57 BST (UK) »
Hi, I came across several deaths for Thomas McDonald and wonder when his wife Sarah died as it would help weed out those who may not fit. I suppose anything is possible but I would lean towards McDonald/McDonnell and variations of those two as opposed to McDaniel. Kim

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Re: Is M'Daniel a Variant of McDonald
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 27 August 15 07:31 BST (UK) »
Technically not a variant, but could be a miss spell or even miss transcription.
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Re: Is M'Daniel a Variant of McDonald
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 27 August 15 08:04 BST (UK) »
Hi

Certainly in Scotland Daniel and Donald are sometimes interchangeable as first names so I wouldn't rule out the same occurring in surnames although I haven't come across it before.

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Re: Is M'Daniel a Variant of McDonald
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 27 August 15 08:31 BST (UK) »
http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/

You will get all the variations of surnames on this link.  Just type in the surname and click "Go"
It does not give McDaniel as a variant of McDonald..
  but Donald and Daniel are both the English translation of Donal.

http://www.babynamesofireland.com/d-names/d-names-for-boys

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Re: Is M'Daniel a Variant of McDonald
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 27 August 15 13:18 BST (UK) »
Hi, I came across several deaths for Thomas McDonald and wonder when his wife Sarah died as it would help weed out those who may not fit. I suppose anything is possible but I would lean towards McDonald/McDonnell and variations of those two as opposed to McDaniel. Kim
Thank you everyone for your help,
Sarah died in 1900 at 92 years old in Raheen(darragh). She was a "widow of a farmer". The only 3 Thomas McDonalds given in the civil reg. death indexes ( I ordered all 3 from GRO), were from Leighlinbridge (2 Thom. McDonalds who were farmers), and Tullow (Thom. McDonald, shopkeeper).
 I have been aware of the L.Bridge McDonalds for some time (I believe they may be cousins of my Tom).
The years of the 3 deaths were 1874, 1877, and 1880. I have reason to believe that my Thom. was alive in 1870. I did notice that familysearch results give a double listing for the 1880 record. Could there have been 2 Thom. McDonalds, both born in 1806, who both died in 1880, who are listed on the same index page: https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&englishSubcountryName=County%20Carlow&query=%2Bgivenname%3AThomas~%20%2Bsurname%3AM'Donald~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1795-1810~%20%2Brecord_country%3AIreland%20%2Brecord_subcountry%3A%22Ireland%2CCarlow%22 ? The photocopy I got for the 1880 death was for Thom. in Lacken, L. Bridge.
I can't help wondering if there is another Thom. McDonald on that index page who lived the exact amount of time as the one in Lacken.
Thanks again!
Baker, Dorey: Dorset, England > Quincy, Massachusetts
Peddle: England > Newfoundland
Magner: Co. Cork, Ireland > Boston
Otto: Eisfeld, Thuringia, Germany > Boston
McDonald: Co. Carlow, Ireland > Fall River, Massachusetts
Thayer: North Bridgewater & Easton, Massachusetts
Marks: Laceiras, Lisbon, Portugal
Gilmore: Co. Westmeath, Ireland > North Bridgewater, Massachusetts

Farnum, Phillips: Barbados>England

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Re: Is M'Daniel a Variant of McDonald
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 27 August 15 18:13 BST (UK) »
Can't quite remember the year off the top of my head I'll check later but my Westmeath M'Daniels changed to McDonnells.

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Re: Is M'Daniel a Variant of McDonald
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 29 August 15 11:48 BST (UK) »
In my own family M'Daniel was used, as well as Mcdaniel and M'donnell,Mcdonnell ,Macdonnel and Mcdonald.All refer to the same family.

http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/results.jsp?surname=&firstname=&county=Queen%27s&townland=&parish=rosenallis&search=Search&sort=&pageSize=&pager.offset=390

Even today some of the family are Mcdonnell whilst others are Mcdonald.
McDonnell McDonald Gorman Cronley(Laois) Nolan Byrne O Byrne Brady Brennan Keeffe(Carlow)
O'Neill, O'Connor, Burbridge, Casey (Dublin)

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Re: Is M'Daniel a Variant of McDonald (Complete)
« Reply #8 on: Today at 04:42 »
I never did follow up to close this query. I found the death record of Thomas McDonnell of Rahhendarragh in 1886. Definitely my man!
Baker, Dorey: Dorset, England > Quincy, Massachusetts
Peddle: England > Newfoundland
Magner: Co. Cork, Ireland > Boston
Otto: Eisfeld, Thuringia, Germany > Boston
McDonald: Co. Carlow, Ireland > Fall River, Massachusetts
Thayer: North Bridgewater & Easton, Massachusetts
Marks: Laceiras, Lisbon, Portugal
Gilmore: Co. Westmeath, Ireland > North Bridgewater, Massachusetts

Farnum, Phillips: Barbados>England