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Is M'Daniel a Variant of McDonald
« on: Thursday 27 August 15 04:04 BST (UK) »
Hello
I struck out with 3 Thomas McDonald death certs obtained from the GRO. The Civil Registration Index on familysearch does have a Thomas M'Daniel. Is this a possibility? I have a few records where McDonnell is used, but I am not sure about M'Daniel. Any thoughts welcomed and appreciated.
By the way, I did find his wife, Sarah's death cert from Raheen, where I expect to find Thomas.
Thanks!
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Re: Is M'Daniel a Variant of McDonald
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 27 August 15 05:57 BST (UK) »
Hi, I came across several deaths for Thomas McDonald and wonder when his wife Sarah died as it would help weed out those who may not fit. I suppose anything is possible but I would lean towards McDonald/McDonnell and variations of those two as opposed to McDaniel. Kim

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Re: Is M'Daniel a Variant of McDonald
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 27 August 15 07:31 BST (UK) »
Technically not a variant, but could be a miss spell or even miss transcription.
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Re: Is M'Daniel a Variant of McDonald
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 27 August 15 08:04 BST (UK) »
Hi

Certainly in Scotland Daniel and Donald are sometimes interchangeable as first names so I wouldn't rule out the same occurring in surnames although I haven't come across it before.

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Re: Is M'Daniel a Variant of McDonald
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 27 August 15 08:31 BST (UK) »
http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/

You will get all the variations of surnames on this link.  Just type in the surname and click "Go"
It does not give McDaniel as a variant of McDonald..
  but Donald and Daniel are both the English translation of Donal.

http://www.babynamesofireland.com/d-names/d-names-for-boys

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Re: Is M'Daniel a Variant of McDonald
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 27 August 15 13:18 BST (UK) »
Hi, I came across several deaths for Thomas McDonald and wonder when his wife Sarah died as it would help weed out those who may not fit. I suppose anything is possible but I would lean towards McDonald/McDonnell and variations of those two as opposed to McDaniel. Kim
Thank you everyone for your help,
Sarah died in 1900 at 92 years old in Raheen(darragh). She was a "widow of a farmer". The only 3 Thomas McDonalds given in the civil reg. death indexes ( I ordered all 3 from GRO), were from Leighlinbridge (2 Thom. McDonalds who were farmers), and Tullow (Thom. McDonald, shopkeeper).
 I have been aware of the L.Bridge McDonalds for some time (I believe they may be cousins of my Tom).
The years of the 3 deaths were 1874, 1877, and 1880. I have reason to believe that my Thom. was alive in 1870. I did notice that familysearch results give a double listing for the 1880 record. Could there have been 2 Thom. McDonalds, both born in 1806, who both died in 1880, who are listed on the same index page: https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&englishSubcountryName=County%20Carlow&query=%2Bgivenname%3AThomas~%20%2Bsurname%3AM'Donald~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1795-1810~%20%2Brecord_country%3AIreland%20%2Brecord_subcountry%3A%22Ireland%2CCarlow%22 ? The photocopy I got for the 1880 death was for Thom. in Lacken, L. Bridge.
I can't help wondering if there is another Thom. McDonald on that index page who lived the exact amount of time as the one in Lacken.
Thanks again!
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Otto: Eisfeld, Thuringia, Germany > Boston
McDonald: Co. Carlow, Ireland > Fall River, Massachusetts
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Re: Is M'Daniel a Variant of McDonald
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 27 August 15 18:13 BST (UK) »
Can't quite remember the year off the top of my head I'll check later but my Westmeath M'Daniels changed to McDonnells.

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Re: Is M'Daniel a Variant of McDonald
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 29 August 15 11:48 BST (UK) »
In my own family M'Daniel was used, as well as Mcdaniel and M'donnell,Mcdonnell ,Macdonnel and Mcdonald.All refer to the same family.

http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/results.jsp?surname=&firstname=&county=Queen%27s&townland=&parish=rosenallis&search=Search&sort=&pageSize=&pager.offset=390

Even today some of the family are Mcdonnell whilst others are Mcdonald.
McDonnell McDonald Gorman Cronley Colman Deegan Dunne Maher Dempsey Conlon Griffin Bergin Lalor Keys Bonham Brennan Hart(Laois) Nolan Byrne O Byrne Brady Mullen Hanaway Brennan Keeffe Reddy (Carlow)
O'Neill Doyle Donnelly Devlin  (Tyrone) Connor, Burbidge,McNally (Dublin)Hannon McCarthy (Tipperary)Healy Miley Treacy (Wicklow)Kelly (Kildare)

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Re: Is M'Daniel a Variant of McDonald (Complete)
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 14 December 17 04:42 GMT (UK) »
I never did follow up to close this query. I found the death record of Thomas McDonnell of Rahhendarragh in 1886. Definitely my man!
Baker: Dorset, England > Newfoundland > Massachusetts
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White: Dorset, England > Newfoundland
Magner: Co. Cork, Ireland > Boston
Otto: Eisfeld, Thuringia, Germany > Boston
McDonald: Co. Carlow, Ireland > Fall River, Massachusetts
Thayer: Thornbury, Gloucestershire, England > Braintree, Massachusetts
Marks: Portugal > Massachusetts
Gilmore: Co. Westmeath, Ireland > Massachusetts
Farnum, Phillips: England > Barbados