Windy Hill Cemetery - Thoburns of Mallusk

[lmgnz]

One thing that Gilby did not mention is the family of Joseph Barron (1773-1825)  of Craigarogan/ Roughfort.

Eleanor Barron c1735 is obviously an earlier generation but could be the same family. Gilby does have snippets of information on earlier Barrons in the area.  Again DNA might help with that as there is a Barron DNA project. From the lines that have been tested, it appears that Joseph Barron of Roughfort is closely connected to another Joseph Barron b c1758 who emigrated to Virginia/Tennessee.

The other Barron family of Templepatrick (Ballynalough) is less closely related to Joseph but has also been tested and they appear to have a common ancestor in around the early 1600s.

Cheers

Linda (NZ).

P.S. I haven't worked out how to get an automatic signature with my family names so have had a go writing one. These are my Antrim families: The Wileys married into both Barron branches
   Templepatrick: Graham, Wiley, Lynn, Courtney.
Dunsilly: Gawn, Maxwell, Price, Henry
   Coolsythe: Ewing, McKelvie

[Gilby]

Hi Allister,

I’m only distantly connected to the Thoburns, so I’m not sure how much I’ll be able to help you.  However, if you have not already read the manuscript/book called “The Ancestry of the Irish-American Thoburns” by C. Stanley Thoburn then I highly recommend it to you.

I think the book is based largely on two early Thoburn family bibles.  Unfortunately, it does not include your Samuel Thoburn and Janet Girvan, but it does have Joseph Thoburn (1690-1758) and suggests he had a brother Samuel, so perhaps their father was also Samuel?

It was in the above book where I found the reference to Windy Hill Cemetery.  I was recently reading the OS Memoirs for the area and found a passage which refers to the small graveyard in Roughfort which was already barely being user in the 1830s.  I’m sitting in the airport at the moment, so don’t have access to the passage in question.

Gilby

[allister1964]

Thanks for the information regarding the Thoburn family. It seems unfortunately that the Thoburn's have became extinct in the Mallusk/Carnmoney area, with the last member of the family,  ie: Catherine Thoburn (b: 1843), who died about 1926. She was the daughter of David Thoburn (1791-1847) and Rebecca Boyd (1808-74).

I have visited the graveyards at both Carnmoney and Mallusk on several occasions, though haven't found any headstones for Thoburn, though several individuals are buried there, who had Thoburn as their middle name.

Would you mind informing me of where I could purchase a copy of the book that you mentioned?

Regards, Allister.

[Gilby]

Allister,

I’ve not been able to get my hands on a physical copy of the Thoburn book, but it can be viewed online here:

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=wu.89062526041;view=1up;seq=1

That’s a good point about there being no Thoburn headstones in Mallusk (old part, anyway).  If I knew, I’d forgotten.  The above book refers to Thoburn headstones erected in “Windy Hill Cemetery” (the subject of this thread) which I think is the old graveyard in Roughfort.  What remains of the graveyard site is behind houses and when I visited I couldn’t see any signs of a graveyard.

Gilby

[lmgnz]

 In regards to this family copied below I believe there is now another sibling.

David Thoburn, (10 Jul 1757 – 3 May 1802/3) m. Janet Barron in Aug 1783.
.                      1. Jane (1797 - 1872).  She erected a monument in Windy Hill cemetery.
                       2. John (1799? - 1845?)
                       3. David (1800 - Aug 1862).  (Windy Hill cemetery and Family Bible.)

Jane who died 1872 named a nephew David Kelso as a nephew and David Thoburn who died OCT 1862 named David Kelso as a nephew, as well as a string of Kelso nieces.

The McKinney notebook records William Kelso marrying Margaret Thoburn on 12 Jan 1819. And lists children, David, Susan, Jane and Margaret.

Probate of the Will of David Kelso late of Windyhill Craigarogan County Antrim Farmer who died 4 November 1897 granted at Belfast to William Kell of Ulida Skegoniel-avenue Belfast Spirit Merchant James Parker of Eastfield Templepatrick Farmer and Thomas Barnett of Roughfort Mallusk Road Contractor all County Antrim

David Kelso was 78 when he died so born c 1819. William Kell was his nephew.
Jane Kelso b 1824 is shown in the McKinney notebooks to have married a Joseph Kell.

Jane's other sisters as listed in the will of James Thoburn were:
Susan Kelso [b c1822 who married 1848 to Joseph Gourley of Kilgreel]
Elizabeth[b c1824 who married another David Kelso]
Margaret Kelso [ b c1826 who married James Alexander of Ballyrobert]
Ellen Kelso

[lmgnz]

Also

The Will of Elizabeth Kelso late of Craigarogan County Antrim Widow who died 6 April 1894 at same place was proved at Belfast by William Kell of Wine Cellar Entry Belfast Spirit Merchant and Robert Thompson of Craigarogan Farmer the Executors.

Elizabeth also named William Kell as her nephew, and David Kelso as her brother and the daughters of David Kelso and Jane Kell were listed as nieces, along with Elizabeth Gourley. Susan Gourley was a witness to the will.

Elizabeth's age at death (72) puts her birth at c 1822. It is possible Elizabeth was born between Susan Kelso bapt 13 Jul 1822 and Jane Kelso bapt 9 Dec 1824. Or between David Kelso bapt 31 Dec 1819 and Susan Kelso.

[allister1964]

Linda,

Many  thanks for the info regarding the Thoburns and Kelso's. I've been collecting all the details I can on the Thoburn family for almost 30 years, and although I can't prove it, am fairly sure that these people are descended from the marriage of Samuel Thoburn and Janet Girvan, who are recorded within the Session Minutes  of  Carnmoney Presbyterian Meeting House in either 1702 or 1703 as 'living part'. It is interesting that Margaret Kelso married a James Alexander, as Jane Jamison (born:1743) (daughter of John Jamison and Agnes Girvan) married a William Alexander.
 
It is really fascinating, the way in which all these families are connected through the generations.
I checked out the book regarding the history of the Thoburn's, though I found several discrepancies,
compared to those of Wm Fee McKinney. I haven't finished reading the book, though intend to, within the next week or so.

[Gilby]

Belfast Newsletter, 7 Apr 1894   
KELSO - April 6, at her residence, Windyhill, Roughfort, Elizabeth, widow of the late David Kelso, Kilgreel, aged 72 years.  Interment in Mallusk Burying-ground, to-morrow (Sunday) afternoon, at three o'clock.

I was a bit confused at first by Elizabeth, widow of David Kelso, mentioning her brother David Kelso .. but yes, sure enough - David Kelso (son of George) married Elizabeth Kelso (daughter of William) at Templepatrick NS Presbyterian in 1857.

Here is the inscription from David and Elizabeth's headstone in Mallusk:
Erected by Elizabeth Kelso in memory of her beloved husband David Kelso, late of Kilgreel, who died 7th Novr 1888 aged 81 years.  Also the above named Elizabeth Kelso who died 6th April 1894 aged 72 years.  Agnes Webb who died 9th Feby 1903 aged 7 1/2.  James Kane Webb who died 17th April 1903 aged 4 months.  Also Meta the darling daughter of George and Meta Webb, Ballyhenry, who died 20th January 1934 aged 5 months.  Mary Webb who died 2nd January 1937.  Also her husband Charles Webb who died 24th March 1950.

[callibaba]

Not sure if this is the correct forum but having read the chat thought someone here might be able to help.

I have in my tree an Agnes Thoburn born in about 1815 according to the 1901 Census.

Why I think relevant to this discussion is that I found the announcement of her marriage in the Belfast Commercial Chronicle in 1835 where she is referred to as " the only surviving child of the late Joseph Thorburn of Roughfort" She was married by Rev. John Carson, Presbyterian Minister, Templepatrick.

I have read bits of the above link to the " History of Irish Thorburn" and thought at first she might be an offspring of Joseph Thorburn born 1788 but I believe I have traced him back to Scotland where he married twice) and died in 1868 (all census indicate he was born in Ireland and death certificate shows mothers maiden name as Bigger)

So I am therefore still trying to identify her father.

Also supporting her relationship to this family is the relationship with the Gourley/Kelso family. Despite Agnes spending her married life in Broughshane, Ballymena her daughter Isabella married William Gourley whom I believe was the son of Joseph Gourley and Susan Kelso and therefore the grandson of Margaret Thoburn b 1812 as noted in Imgnz post 4 Nov 2107.

Anyone with anything that might help me would be grateful.