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Offline Natalie Stubblefield

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Kirkpatricks of Kirkcudbright and Dumfries
« on: Tuesday 08 September 15 02:32 BST (UK) »
I am looking for information on my 5th great grandparents William Kirkpatrick born 1734 supposedly in Kirkcudbright and Mary Cavan born 1741 also in Kirkcudbright. Not sure if this is correct since my 4th great grandfather Thomas was supposed to have been born in Dumfries and that is where all of his descendants to my 2nd great grandfather were born. Everything we find on William's parents list either Alexander or William Kirkpatrick and Janet Shennan and give birth dates as 1730 for him. This can't be if his son was born in 1734. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

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Re: Kirkpatricks of Kirkcudbright and Dumfries
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 08 September 15 10:57 BST (UK) »
Hi & welcome to Rootschat.

Below is a monumental inscription which relates to your William Kirkpatrick & his wife Mary Cavan
(Caven).
"Inscription 29 : Rerrick Churchyard
Here lies the body of William Kirkpatrick, late in Nether Hazelfield, who died the 9th July 1772, aged 90 years. And also Agnes Kirkpatrick, his daughter, who died August 16th 1767, aged 20 years. Also the corpse of Jannet Shennan his spouse, who died April 1(illegible)th 1792, aged 80 years. Also of William Kirkpatrick, their son, who died in Nether Hazelfield, 20th March 1814, aged 40 years. And Mary Caven his spouse, who died at Nether Hazelfield, 18th May 1832, aged 91 years. John, died at Donsknow, April 16th 1858, aged 82 years. And Mary his daughter, who died at Auchencairn, April 7th 1873 aged 93 years. "
Full detail on this link together with a photograph of the stone.
http://www.kirkyards.co.uk/allgraves.asp?offset=40&Inscription=kirkpatrick
Hope this is some hepl to you.

Rgds Matt
Muir,McDill/Dill,Payne,Hepburn,Ireland,Rae all in Kirkcudbrightshire.
Cotter,Liddane,Gibson all in Co Clare,Ireland.

My avatar is my G/Father--Name not known !

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Re: Kirkpatricks of Kirkcudbright and Dumfries
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 08 September 15 14:13 BST (UK) »
Thanks Matt

  This was helpful but I am still not sure I am on the right track. Unfortunately it doesn't help tie son William to our Thomas. But it does verify dates for me.
 Many of those inscriptions are interesting and seem to tie in though.
   
   Thanks again,
     Natalie

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Re: Kirkpatricks of Kirkcudbright and Dumfries
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 08 September 15 19:37 BST (UK) »
Hi Natalie
ScotlandsPeople website has a birth record for a Thomas Kirkpatrick, parents William Kirkpatrick and Mary Caven, at Rerrick on 18th September 1780. So not Dumfries after all. Maybe a case of not believing everything our ancestors tell us!  :)

Added
Actually, that birthdate suggests that the inscription for William (Jnr) is wrong as he can't have been only 9 years old when Thomas was born. And ScotlandsPeople states that a William Kirkpatrick was born on 7th February 1770 to William Kirkpatrick and Mary Caven, indicating the one who died in 1814 was the grandson, not the son of William and Jannet Shennan.

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Dumfriesshire: Martin, Lorrain(e), Smart, Muir
Roxburghshire, Selkirkshire: Lorrain, Turnbull, Riddell, Elliot(t), Ker(r), Scott
Lancashire, Cheshire: Johnston, Rutter, Barrow
Ayrshire, Lanarkshire: Jamieson, Glasgow, Thomson, Riddet, Blair
Clackmannan, Fife, Stirling: Simpson, Kirk, Stein, Pryde, Penman, Hempseed, Bauchop

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Re: Kirkpatricks of Kirkcudbright and Dumfries
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 08 September 15 20:16 BST (UK) »
   Thank you Ian. I knew something wasn't right with that.

    Regard,
   Natalie

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Re: Kirkpatricks of Kirkcudbright and Dumfries
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 08 September 15 20:30 BST (UK) »
You may have seen my added note above. It seems William and Mary married in 1768 and they went on to have six children. SP gives no clue as to when William was born.

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Ian
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Dumfriesshire: Martin, Lorrain(e), Smart, Muir
Roxburghshire, Selkirkshire: Lorrain, Turnbull, Riddell, Elliot(t), Ker(r), Scott
Lancashire, Cheshire: Johnston, Rutter, Barrow
Ayrshire, Lanarkshire: Jamieson, Glasgow, Thomson, Riddet, Blair
Clackmannan, Fife, Stirling: Simpson, Kirk, Stein, Pryde, Penman, Hempseed, Bauchop

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Re: Kirkpatricks of Kirkcudbright and Dumfries
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 03 October 15 12:52 BST (UK) »
Hi Natalie
ScotlandsPeople website has a birth record for a Thomas Kirkpatrick, parents William Kirkpatrick and Mary Caven, at Rerrick on 18th September 1780. So not Dumfries after all. Maybe a case of not believing everything our ancestors tell us!  :)

Added
Actually, that birthdate suggests that the inscription for William (Jnr) is wrong as he can't have been only 9 years old when Thomas was born. And ScotlandsPeople states that a William Kirkpatrick was born on 7th February 1770 to William Kirkpatrick and Mary Caven, indicating the one who died
in 1814 was the grandson, not the son of William and Jannet Shennan.

Regards
Ian

Re the Inscription for William that indicates that he died 20 March 1814 aged 40 years. This is partly correct.
I have just checked Vol 5 of the Stewartry of Kirkcudbrightshire Monumental Inscriptions Pre 1855
( Published by  The Scottish Genealogy Society)
Their record for this monument gives Williams death details as  30 March 1814 aged 80 years.
A difference of 40 years & 10 days which would give him a birth year of 1734.  This will make him the son & not the G/son as thought.

Some other differences are
Jannet Shennan died 19 April 1790 aged 82 years.
Son John died at Dousknow 6 April 1858 age 82 years.
Just shows errors can creep in anywhere.

Regards Matt
Muir,McDill/Dill,Payne,Hepburn,Ireland,Rae all in Kirkcudbrightshire.
Cotter,Liddane,Gibson all in Co Clare,Ireland.

My avatar is my G/Father--Name not known !

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Re: Kirkpatricks of Kirkcudbright and Dumfries
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 03 October 15 14:10 BST (UK) »
Thank you Matt and Ian. This has been very helpful. I really appreciate your time and help.

  Natalie

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Re: Kirkpatricks of Kirkcudbright and Dumfries
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 03 October 15 14:29 BST (UK) »
Thanks for clearing that up, Matt.

But even Vol.5 of the pre-1855 MIs isn't quite consistent with what the death record for John Kirkpatrick says! The parish record states that John was a farmer and he died at Dons Knowe on 4th (not 6th) April 1858. Dons Knowe was a small house with office and land about a mile north of Orroland.
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Dumfriesshire: Martin, Lorrain(e), Smart, Muir
Roxburghshire, Selkirkshire: Lorrain, Turnbull, Riddell, Elliot(t), Ker(r), Scott
Lancashire, Cheshire: Johnston, Rutter, Barrow
Ayrshire, Lanarkshire: Jamieson, Glasgow, Thomson, Riddet, Blair
Clackmannan, Fife, Stirling: Simpson, Kirk, Stein, Pryde, Penman, Hempseed, Bauchop