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Re: Help needed! Manchester 1867 policeman shooting!!!
« Reply #18 on: Wednesday 13 July 05 19:46 BST (UK) »
Bllllubablubba, Bllubalubba- scuse me whilst I try to get my head round everything you're all sending us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Amazing,astounding,tremendous- OUTSTANDING!!!!- I don't know enough words to thank you all- you've managed to make a 36 year old man from Withenshaw with a gob like the mersey tunnel go incredibly quiet- I fully expect him to be rocking in a corner shortly!!!! Everything you are all sending is just so................................... (pardon my french!) bloody wonderful!
Now all I have to do is prove the connection- his surname is Brett, the family have all told him that Charles was a direct ancestor of the family, as his dad said he was his great great grandad (although I don't think anyone realised how much of an impact was made by his death)- so we've got to search for the male line (my friends Grandfather was obviously a Brett 1st name unknown,his grandma was/is Hannah Kempster - no birth details known but around the 1920's) & I can't find Charles son Charles anywhere apart from 1861/71 but did find /come across another male Brett born around the dates of the  other children on freebmd- can't find the right piece of paper right now- on the grounds that I might sound like I'm taking the Michael has anyone got any ideas on where to find other details on possible other sons?
For know I'll go back to my searching for Charles junior- Brott,Brett.Bratt I'm doing them all!!!!
Again you're fantastic
Rose
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Re: Help needed! Manchester 1867 policeman shooting!!!
« Reply #19 on: Wednesday 13 July 05 20:15 BST (UK) »
Hi there

Perhaps if you told us what your friends parents names are, then granparents etc. whatever you know, we might come up with some leads for you

I must admit I did have a good search for Charles Jnr up to 1901 and didn't find anything

Might also be worth asking (specifically in another thread), if anyone can do an 1851 lookup

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Re: Help needed! Manchester 1867 policeman shooting!!!
« Reply #20 on: Wednesday 13 July 05 22:22 BST (UK) »

Hi Ken,

What fantastic information and piccies you dug up  It was a real treat to follow this post  ;D

Rose,

To your fella, I am right pleased he has not lost all his lanky !

Anyway, shortly up "the wooden hill" getting late

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Re: Help needed! Manchester 1867 policeman shooting!!!
« Reply #21 on: Wednesday 13 July 05 23:23 BST (UK) »
Details as recounted to me (sketchy i know!)

My friend is Anthony (Tony) Brett born 7/10/1968

Father:-Harry Brett born 1947
Mother:- Carol Faux born 1949

Mother of Harry
 Hannah Brett ne' Kempster born 1920's who obviously married a Brett (unknown first name)

All from the Manchester area

and that's about it apart from the family hand me down tales.

Any ideas?
Rose

P.S.To Sarah Tony's not my fella but one of my fella's ( & mine) best mates!
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Boyling-Oldham,Royton & Shropshire
Harris- Bradford, Prestwich Manchester
SMITH!! Kirkcaldy, Manchester
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Nixon- London
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Re: Help needed! Manchester 1867 policeman shooting!!!
« Reply #22 on: Thursday 14 July 05 09:16 BST (UK) »
Hi,
I have really enjoyed following this link too...got so engrossed that I have stopped looking up my family and started reading about this one!
And I was so pleased with myself for finding the Police site link BUT, ec and Ken...you have surpassed me! Well done..I have no idea how you have found so much info but I AM impressed! It's people like you that make this family history research so much easier and fun too.

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Re: Help needed! Manchester 1867 policeman shooting!!!
« Reply #23 on: Thursday 14 July 05 13:02 BST (UK) »
Hi Folks

To add to the story, I have found in my local RC cemetery a monument erected in memory of the 3 accused and hanged people.

This find/information only came about last night talking to a friend about this rootchat posting, I just mentioned the Manchester Martyrs, and he recalled his dad mention a monument in the cemetery and a general location.

Well I just had to find it this morning

This monument has been the target of attack in recent years, as you can see it is still covered in paint.

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Ken
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Re: Help needed! Manchester 1867 policeman shooting!!!
« Reply #24 on: Thursday 14 July 05 14:09 BST (UK) »
Hi Folks

If I remember rightly a railway bridge still crosses Hyde road ..... I wonder ?

;D Hope the dole dont find out about this, doing research when I should be looking for work  ;D  ;D RRRRR st**f em this is more fun  ;)

Still got St Annes church to check and now Hyde road, if this print is correct.

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Re: Help needed! Manchester 1867 policeman shooting!!!
« Reply #25 on: Thursday 14 July 05 15:10 BST (UK) »
Hi Woodydog, I've really enjoyed this one too - so satisfying when my own research is pants!

Only suggestions I can really make to tie it up as we dont be able to find a male Brett going forward from Sargeant Brett is to go backwards.  I note you live in Scotland so I can only really suggest that you splash out on 1837online and try and find who Hannah Kempster married  - Tony presumably knows if his father had any brothers/sisters, older/younger.  That should help pinpoint when to start looking for the marriage.  Should then be quite straightforward to find the unknown Bretts birth - sometime in the 1920s I'd guess and that index record will have his mothers maiden name on.  Then search for her name marrying a Brett and hopefully by then you will be back before 1901 and we can look again.

Do you know which area of the country we are talking about - if it is Scotland then that is a whole different ballgame and tricky because the indices are not all on line for the more recent stuff.  Could that be why we can't find Charle jnr - did he move to Scotland?

I do believe that some of the Scottish LDS sites have copies of the English registers if thats a possiblity....

I suppose the other possibility is that your friend is a descendant of a BROTHER of Sargeant Brett?

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Re: Help needed! Manchester 1867 policeman shooting!!!
« Reply #26 on: Thursday 14 July 05 15:54 BST (UK) »

1891

Folio 74
Page 14

11 Love Lane Manchester

Hannah Kempster, Age  31 Wife b Manchester, Lancashire
William Kempster age 34 Head  b. Bury Lancs
Hannah Kempster age 12 Daug b. Manchester

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