Help needed! Manchester 1867 policeman shooting!!!

[woodydog]

HI Ken, I think I've managed to addle a few more brains- mine appears to be going round in circles!!
I've gone to your website & saved the file but at the moment I can't open it (she says knowledgeably!!!- yeh right!)- I think I need to download some free software to view it but as I'm bleedin awful at doing things like that I'm going to wait until my better half is at least awake, he seems to find stuff like that easy (fingers crossed.) Must remember not to bombard him before he has his 2nd coffee!!
As for information on the Brett/Atkin census- the only concrete stuff is what EC found earlier
1881-Fire & police Station, Goulden St, Manc
Henry Atkin -head-mar-born 1842- Belper,Derbyshire
Mary-wife-1842-Macclesfield
CHARLES BRETT ATKIN-son-1869-Manc
Mary Atkin-daur-1871-Manc
Elizabeth Atkin-daur-1873-Manc
Eliza Atkin-daur-1877-Manc

By 1891 Elizabeth & Charles are not with the family in what ec thinks is 85 Reather? Street & another sibling has come along
Annie Atkin-daur-1888-Manc
& Mary Brett is living with them

SandraC has turned the 1891 & 1901 census'ssss upside down & inside out & can't find Charles Brett Atkin or any connotation of him anywhere so that would seem to tie in with your emigration information- I think.
I've looked at family search, freeukgen, googled, etc,etc,etc & I'm not coming up with beggar all apart from a sore head- must get logical & methodical & anything else ending in cal!!
I'm thinking that we're all so close to finding the link with T's family it's just finding the needle in the haystack that's the problem- I'm sure SandraC will have a thick head this morning & I bet you've gone boss eyed trying to decipher handwriting- what a bunch of stars!
Will go for know, nearly coffee time for hubby- will keep you posted & let you know as soon as I get to look at the scans.
Big hugs
Rose

[uk2003]

Rose

To make the pictures smaller/compressed I used a program called winrar dont but know if it is free or not, If you cant get it I will place them as seperate images.

Ref: 1891 census Brett was in Australia between 1890 and 1895
Ref: 1901 census He left Liverpool for Australia again in March 1901
He spent a long time in Aus, so think you will have a line in Aus as well

Its all in the document   

Reather street is right, It used to be about a mile from my home now.

Regards
Ken

[SandraC]

Hi Ken & Rose

It is possible to download free trial versions of software to decompress & extract rar files.  Once you have extracted them, they are then back in the jpg format & can be read as usual.

I got mine by googling WinRAR - I won't mention the site as I have already had my posts "copyrighted" this week!

Information makes very interesting reading Ken but does look like our possible link to Charles Brett's elder son William has fallen over Rose as he died in 1860!

Back to the drawing board then for the connection to the present.

SandraC

[SandraC]

Hi All

The notes Ken has scanned mention Edward Brett, brother of Charles the policeman.  He was b 1824 & went to India.  The notes mention a son Edward b 1856 in Dessa, India.

By 1871 Edward, his mother & sister are back in Macclesfield - RG 10/3672 folio 70 pg 36.  5 Baron(?) Street.  Widow Eliza [b 1828 Ireland] is clothes dealer, Mary Jane [b 1862] is scholar & Edward Owen Brett is printer's apprentice.  Mother & sister details fit with the notes found.

In 1877, Edward Owen Brett marries Elizabeth Holford in Gloucester [Oct-Dec 6a 570].

In 1881, Edward O & Elizabeth are in Gloucester with Arthur Alfred b 1879 in Hull [why?] & Mildred G J b 1881 Gloucester [3 mo].  5 Old Millbrook Street, Gloucester Barton St Mary -  RG 11/2537 folio 20 pg 33.  Edward is a compositor.

In 1891, Edward O & Elizabeth still in Gloucester, but obviously been about in between!
Arthur A, 1878, Hull
John E, 1882, Manchester
Mary E, 1887, Birmingham
William H, 1889, Gloucester.
Edward now print compositor & rej???
RG 12/ 2014 folio 86 pg 8 63 London Road.

In 1901, big increase in child count!
Arthur, John & Mary remain at home.  William H has become Henry W!
Frank b 1892, Gloucester
George P b 1894, Gloucester
Sydney H b 1895
RG 13/2426 folio 94 pg 36 18 Worcester Street, Gloucester.  Edward O is general printer & Arthur & John are news print compositors.

Fascinating stuff but absolutely no link to Rose's friend or "Harry Brett"

TTFN
SandraC

[uk2003]

Hi SandraC

Nice work you have done, hope Rose aint to upset. I have not been following the family line my interest is solely on Charles Brett the Police officer, I was hoping the museum had service record documents for him but alass not.

Ken

 

[woodydog]

Hello all- hope you've had a goodun'.

OK Ken- Andi downloaded the software thingammy but whether I try to save the scans file or open it I can only view images number 26- 31- tried 3 times (2 hours 18mins for each no broadband round here!)- how fed up am I? Maybe I should wait till your website's up and running rather than distracting you from the job in hand.
Sandra- don't think that anything has been disproved as yet- I think I'll have to tell Tony that HE HAS TO send off for Ernest & Kempsters marriage cert to be sure of Ernest's fathers name, it's only my guess that it's the one with the mmn of Hume..... we'll see.
Gonna get off for now as feeling very down- my best mate of 15 years, (name of Woodydog) had to be put to sleep today- might try to work out how to add his picture to my postings, then again might just go and have a good cry !!
Bye for now & thanks all
Rose

[uk2003]

Rose

I will put them on a CDR for you, send me your home address via PM and I will get them off to you.

Ken

[SandraC]

Hi Rose

Very sorry about your sad posting of yesterday.  It's heart-wrenching after such a long relationship.

Take care
SandraC

PS Good luck with persuading your friend to get the certificates, as you say, this is the only way!

[uk2003]

Very saddened at what I found today during a grave hunt with Goldy & Migky.

Police Sergeant Charles Brett Headstone pushed over and broke in two.

I am going to take this up the Mancheters Chief Constable, it should not be left in that state

Ken