hello Rich
I know what your saying about the rev Vic Simmons,
but there was two churches, I think the st Marys is not as old as st Helens, your getting mixed with the sours about Vic's life, I read he went to two churches , but our talk is st Helens
if you look on page one I give a list of all the church people at st Helens in Dan Boswells time , I've cut it down here to the three big ones , and do you see there all buried in st Helens with Dan
the rest are not ,I think your saying st Marrys becourse on the web I seen that to ,
number one is vicar Wright, he's the one in the time the stopped the Gipsys coming, it was the time of the enclosure of the commonland and finishing with the old bit of the churchyard were Dan Boswell was layed to rest, I think this is what the rev Harrison is talking about when he said this from that report you just wrote,
The Vicar of Selston, however has now another scheme on hand. His parish was years ago the rendezvous of the gipsy race, and he hopes to organise a festival in which the representatives of the varions clans could take part, and could see re-erected the broken tombstone of Dan Boswell"
so this is Rev Wright below, st Helens
11 Sept 1856
Robert John William Wright, vicar
On cession of G Williamson. Died 2 Aug 1887, buried in the churchyard.
then you have Rev Harrison,
the man with great idears, I read a lot of him , there a photo on the web to,
this is him below st Helens
26 Nov 1887
Charles Harrison, vicar
Died 28 April 1916, buried in churchyard
then you have good old Vic, that's some name herbot, no wonder they called him vic,
this is him below st Helens not st Marys but I see why you said that, I seen his grave my self, he is of the time they cleared all the old stones up to make paths, I read a few reports on this but only wrote a little, I will have to try and find it all again but I,v forgot where it was,pluss hes the good man who at least had the dignity to put a new stone up,
this is him below st Helens
1962
Hubert Victor Simmons
On cession of Pearce. Died 3 March 1978, buried in churchyard
yes the broken stone still standing in 38, but the big bit is as it says the stones on its back on the ground , this is the top half, so looks so far like there was only ever one stone till 1972 I think or the odd year here or there, but I think 72, and he did say it was inside the church they searched for the date for it was me who asked him, and he did say some more things but I don't think I'll talk about it, it was Vic he says done the lot for Dan Boswell, I did say he could be searched out, plus he's photos of him digging the new grave in, and the old one you could read a bit but blurred, you had to dig that out the ground, when I get time I think I'll get photos of
the path if I find it and the place where he showed me the old stone was , just to the left it was , facing the church , plus all the vicars graves, plus the church,
I don't know if it was the register they looked at, in the church he said, no inside the church, why didn't the Family back the 1800s put the stone back,
like no one dear touch it, they might of thought Dan did it, it could be mokody Rich ,not what the books says mokody, but how I learned from young, mokody, I'm not trying to be clever, i,m thinking why would they not go near it, it as a lot of meaning that word does, you cant learn it by reading from all them books, it could be the stone itself mokody, and Dan the top man , sure he came back and smashed the stone for the date was wrong,
the relatives might have moved on before the ground had settled and the stone erected, it couled have been a year before they returned , found the wrong date on the stone and it smashed, then they wouldn't touch it ,that's just my talk Rich, everyone should talk there own talk ,
michael