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Death on board ship from Australia to UK
« on: Sunday 20 September 15 00:18 BST (UK) »
Are there any records of deaths on board ships Australia/UK. Story has it George Edwin Thompson aged 32, died on board ship early 1894 heading to UK. Any advice would be great. Have looked at freebmd, anywhere else?  No idea of ship's name.
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Re: DEATH ON BOARD SHIP FROM AUSTRALIA TO UK
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 20 September 15 00:55 BST (UK) »
Hi there,

In the 1890s all of the six self governing colonies that later became Australia would have been responsible for their own regulations re records of outward bound passengers.  But, do you know which colony he was in, as perhaps there would be outward passenger lists to check to give clues for possible ship.    Deaths should be noted in the ship's log, and also reported at the next port of call for that ship.   

Have you checked marine deaths at sea as many ships calling into ports in Australasia were British registered http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/birth-marriage-death-sea-or-abroad/

If his death was onboard a ship that was still in Australian waters heading to another Australia port prior to sailing further, you may need to look at the various registers for each of those six former colonies.   There is no central register for Australia.  Each state/territory continues to have their own parliaments and the institutions established in the 1800s continue to be governed by each jurisdictions own laws. 

Here's RChat's Australian Resource Board : http://www.rootschat.com/forum/australia-resources-offers/

Within that are child boards for each State/territory and live links (where available) for their respective BDMS. 

Here's Victoria's outward bound departures http://prov.vic.gov.au/provguide-50
NSW did not regularly require outward bound lists until about 1898.

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Re: Death on board ship from Australia to UK
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 20 September 15 09:50 BST (UK) »
Thanks for the information  I'm in NSW and this is where he came from. I'll try the National Archives uk and also check the other states.
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Re: Death on board ship from Australia to UK
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 20 September 15 09:58 BST (UK) »
Was it a British flagged ship?  Where was the ship registered, Australia or  England, do you know?
Nursall   ~    Buckinghamshire
Avies ~   Norwich


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Re: Death on board ship from Australia to UK
« Reply #4 on: Monday 21 September 15 07:39 BST (UK) »
I have no idea which ship he was on. 
I checked out the FindMyPast Deaths @ Sea 1781-1968 and have a list of 9 possibles.  However the indexes show Births Marriage & Deaths in the list which makes me think you have to check the  UK bmd.  So of course I have done that but apart from knowing his approx age I can't see how/where it might say "At sea", just has the registration places.  I found the Archives Guide not helpful.  I think you have to be lucky if there was any other information.

Am I missing something
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Re: DEATH ON BOARD SHIP FROM AUSTRALIA TO UK
« Reply #5 on: Monday 21 September 15 07:54 BST (UK) »
.....
Have you checked marine deaths at sea as many ships calling into ports in Australasia were British registered http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/birth-marriage-death-sea-or-abroad/
......

I have no idea which ship he was on. 
I checked out the FindMyPast Deaths @ Sea 1781-1968 and have a list of 9 possibles.  However the indexes show Births Marriage & Deaths in the list which makes me think you have to check the  UK bmd.  So of course I have done that but apart from knowing his approx age I can't see how/where it might say "At sea", just has the registration places.  I found the Archives Guide not helpful.  I think you have to be lucky if there was any other information.


"Any record made of a birth or death at sea from 1837 onwards was sent directly to the General Register Office and recorded in the Marine Register."

So you need the Marine Register.....

http://www.mariners-l.co.uk/UKDeathsAtSea.html
http://www.theshipslist.com/Forms/BMD.shtml

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/home.asp and then :
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/faqs-overseas.asp
Q1. What records are held for overseas births, marriages and deaths?
...... Marine Births and Deaths, from 1837, which took place on British registered vessels..


Cheers,  JM
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Re: Death on board ship from Australia to UK
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 22 November 15 12:39 GMT (UK) »
Possibility that he might have died on land when ship was in Port somewhere. This is what happened to my ancestor - and therefore he wasn't in the Marine Death register.

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Re: Death on board ship from Australia to UK
« Reply #7 on: Monday 23 November 15 05:44 GMT (UK) »
Many thanks for latest posts.
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