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Who are my parents for Charles Tyne (Thynne)?
« on: Monday 21 September 15 13:22 BST (UK) »
Please can someone help to find the parents of:

Charles William Tyne (Thynne)    b 1874 England    d 1933 South Africa.

I married Frances Louisa Stevens b 1874 (?)        d 1973 South Africa

The name could have been changed to Tyne when he came to South Africa,  family scuttlebut says that it was but don't know how true that is......

I know it is not much to go on....... but here's hoping :-\





Paylet, Pallatt, Morris (Russia, UK) Burke, Hillery, Page, Rumsey, Stevens, Tyne/Thynne(UK)  Landman, van Rooyen, Tyne, Stevens, Rumsey, Visagie, Nell (South Africa)

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Re: Who are my parents?
« Reply #1 on: Monday 21 September 15 13:35 BST (UK) »
The only Charles Thynne or Tyne born in 1874 is this one

Births Mar 1874   
Thynne    Charles Alfred        Holborn    1b   681

Did he marry in England?


ADDED : Don't think that is yours, he appears to have died in London in 1925.
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« Reply #2 on: Monday 21 September 15 13:38 BST (UK) »
Frances Louisa Stevens was born March quarter 1874 Malling, Kent.
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« Reply #3 on: Monday 21 September 15 13:46 BST (UK) »
Problem is it looks as if she married either William Finnis or George Pryor in Eastry, Kent in 1901. Could it have been a second marriage to Charles? Where did you get her name from?
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« Reply #4 on: Monday 21 September 15 14:15 BST (UK) »
Problem is it looks as if she married either William Finnis or George Pryor in Eastry, Kent in 1901. Could it have been a second marriage to Charles? Where did you get her name from?

The 1901 marriage for Frances was to George Albert Pryor.  He died in Deal on 5 Feb 1933 - probate of the estate of over £8,000 was granted to Frances Louisa Pryor, widow.

Her possible death: Frances L Pryor aged 87, Mar qtr 1962 Dover.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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« Reply #5 on: Monday 21 September 15 14:27 BST (UK) »
So it looks as if we can rule her out, but she is the only one born in 1874.

How sure are you of the dates?
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« Reply #6 on: Monday 21 September 15 14:34 BST (UK) »
I see that there are Presbyterian baptisms at Cullinan Mines (South Africa) in 1910 and 1912 respectively 1904-1915 for two five children of Charles William Tyne and Francis Louisa Stevens.

I can see a further two children of this couple (older, males) listed in an online tree - one of whose death reg shows a birthdate of 1899.

It would be helpful to know when & where the first of their children was born, and whether a marriage has been found for the couple.

I also note that there is a Scottish flavour to some of the children's given names, so I wonder how reliable the information is as to Charles having been born in England?
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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« Reply #7 on: Monday 21 September 15 15:32 BST (UK) »
There is a Charles William Thynne age 10 born in Gloucestershire in the 1881 census
Apart from the father, all born Cheltenham. Do any of these names fit with Charles' children?

 RG11; Piece: 2570; Folio: 14; Page: 22

9 Selkirk Terrace Cheltenham

H.J.R. Thynne   30. Piano tuner.        Tavistock Devon
Sarah Ann Thynne   28
Chas Wm Thynne   10
Thos Fredk Thynne   6
Henry James Thynne   5
Alice Minnie Thynne   3
Lucy A. Beatrice Thynne   2
Florence Mabel Thynne   1
Emma Mills   12
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Re: Who are my parents for Charles Tyne (Thynne)?
« Reply #8 on: Monday 21 September 15 15:38 BST (UK) »
There is a Charles William Thynne age 10 born in Gloucestershire in the 1881 census
Apart from the father, all born Cheltenham. Do any of these names fit with Charles' children?

 RG11; Piece: 2570; Folio: 14; Page: 22

9 Selkirk Terrace Cheltenham

H.J.R. Thynne   30. Piano tuner.        Tavistock Devon
Sarah Ann Thynne   28
Chas Wm Thynne   10
Thos Fredk Thynne   6
Henry James Thynne   5
Alice Minnie Thynne   3
Lucy A. Beatrice Thynne   2
Florence Mabel Thynne   1
Emma Mills   12

No match with the South African children - and this Charles ends up serving in WW1 in the Canadian Expeditionary Force, citing his mother in Tavistock as NOK.  He may have died in Vancouver in 1955.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)