Help with 1901 and 1911 Census - Are these same Family ? Tuttle

[Foad Family Kent]

I am hoping that is him - on the 1901 Census he is recorded as Patrick Thomas but not in his army papers

[heywood]

Hello,
There is a published tree which has Patrick J marrying in USA.

Does his Army record give any further details?

His marriage certificate would give his father's name.

Regards
Heywood

[heywood]

Just had a quick look at his service record, it does look as though you have the right 1901 family. His address is given as Lysaghts Place and his sister, Mary of the same.

[Foad Family Kent]

Just wish I could confirm with 1911 Census but no luck.

[Foad Family Kent]

Does it say when he married in the USA as my Patrick was 100% the one in the army papers dated 1919.

Hello,
There is a published tree which has Patrick J marrying in USA.

Does his Army record give any further details?

His marriage certificate would give his father's name.

Regards
Heywood

[Foad Family Kent]

It seems Patrick only served 149 days, leaving the Army in 1915 actually.
Don't think I shall ever get to the bottom of this

[3sillydogs]

Was reason given for leaving, my ggrandfather had served his "time" so to speak lol

[annclare]

I am hoping that is him - on the 1901 Census he is recorded as Patrick Thomas but not in his army papers

Hope I'm not muddying the waters more!! But there is also a birth reg in the index for a Patrick Tuttle in Ennistymon in 1895 so it might be worthwhile getting both certs,
Name   PATRICK TUTTLE
Date of Birth   1896
Group Registration ID   9302416
SR District/Reg Area   Ennistymon
Sex   N/R
Mother's Birth Surname   N/R

Name   PATRICK TUTTLE
Date of Birth   1895
Group Registration ID   9866055
SR District/Reg Area   Ennistymon
Sex   N/R
Mother's Birth Surname   N/R
annclare

[Annette7]

His army papers state he was discharged as judged not to become an efficient soldier.   His short time in the army shows being drunk, disobeying orders, etc., etc. (Sorry).   His father shown as 'Edward' this time.

You'll find the family wrongly transcribed as 'Futtle' in 1911 so you'll now be able to find them.

According to the civil registration marriage records he married as Pat Tuttle in Sept.quarter 1921 Ennistimon to Mary Keatinge (spelling as listed) - ref. 4 112.

However, your Patrick can't be the one who died in 1954 as he was aged 75 i.e. b.1879 (coincidentally also a son of an Edward and Bridget and shown on your initial 1911 census instance).

The American online tree is wrong as 'their' Patrick b.1896 arrived in US with older brother John on 14/6/1915 and shipping manifest shows their father was in fact named John!

The only problem I'm finding is when 'your' Edward/Edmund Tuttle married Bridget (certainly not to Bridget Cleary in 1876).

Last census (now widowed) said he'd been married 15 years but think this should probably be 25 as eldest daughter born circa 1887/1888.   The only Edward/Edmund Tuttle marriage I can locate in marriage indexes for relevant time was an Edmund Tuttle married June quarter 1886 Kilrush (Clare).   However, I can't find a corresponding marriage for a Bridget in the same place with matching reference details.   You might have to purchase one of their childrens birth certificates to establish Bridget's maiden name.

Annette