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Re: Louisa JEWELL
« Reply #18 on: Wednesday 30 September 15 10:11 BST (UK) »
Just to say that I have now received the birth certificate of Frederick David Birch, who was born 25 Jun 1869. His father was David Birch, a railway goods carman. His mother was Louisa Birch, formerly Joel. They were living at 55 Cirencester Street.

Given that the "Jewell" family is often recorded as the "Joel" family, I think that this is rather conclusive proof that Louisa Jewell and Louisa Birch are one and the same. It does't, of course, prove that she married David Birch, though it would be nice to find a marriage certificate.

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Re: Louisa JEWELL
« Reply #19 on: Wednesday 30 September 15 15:15 BST (UK) »
received the birth certificate of Frederick David Birch, who was born 25 Jun 1869.
His father was David Birch, a railway goods carman.
His mother was Louisa Birch, formerly Joel.
They were living at 55 Cirencester Street.

Thank you for posting the details to let us know


It does't, of course, prove that she married David Birch, though it would be nice to find a marriage certificate.


If they did marry it's proving pretty elusive........  ???

Not that this will help with finding a marriage but thought I'd post anyway.......

1901c David & Louisa living 147 Church Street Paddington

London Electoral Register entries

1899/1900/01/02/03
147 Church Street
David BIRCH

1913
17 Little North Street
Mrs Louisa Birch
all other females are also noted as Mrs……

1918/19 same address as above
Louisa BIRCH

This looks as if it might be her death entry

Mar 1919 Pancras vol 1b page 12
Louisa BIRCH age 83 (1836)

I wonder if either of their death certificates may give any clues  :-\

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Re: Louisa JEWELL
« Reply #20 on: Wednesday 30 September 15 15:44 BST (UK) »
I will eventually order their death certificates, though I doubt that they will reveal very much. It is the marriage certificate that would be most revealing, if it ever materialises.

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Re: Louisa JEWELL
« Reply #21 on: Wednesday 30 September 15 18:30 BST (UK) »
I will eventually order their death certificates, though I doubt that they will reveal very much. It is the marriage certificate that would be most revealing, if it ever materialises.

Good luck will keep my fingers crossed please let us know if you find anything  :)

For info.
Not sure if I'm duplicating apologies if I am - possible first child of David Birch & Louisa

Thomas James William Birch born 29 Nov 1861
baptism 8 Feb 1862 - St. Johns, Notting-Hill,  Middlesex, England
parents David & Louisa

This is his birth & death entry (FreeBMD)

Thomas James William Birch
1861 Dec Kensington Volume:   1a Page:   90

Thomas James William Birch
1863 Mar Kensington Volume:   1a Page:   25
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Re: Louisa JEWELL
« Reply #22 on: Tuesday 10 August 21 17:00 BST (UK) »
I thought I would refresh this thread, by summarising the current state of play with my research.

David BIRCH was born in 1831 in Rickmansworth, Hertfordshire to Thomas and Martha. In the 1841C he was living with his parents aged 10 in Rickmansworth.

Louisa JEWELL was born in 1835 in Siddington, Gloucestershire to John and Caroline. In the 1841C she was living with her parents aged 5 in Siddington. By the 1851C she was working as a Servant in Cirencester.

By the 1861C, the couple have married and are living in Star Street, Paddington. He is a carman aged 29, claiming to have been born in Newbury, Berks. She is 26, having been born in Siddington.

They spend the rest of their lives in the Paddington and Marylebone area. In 1871C they are at Cirencester Street with two of their children Alice (5) and Frederick (1). They next appear in 1891C at Hereford Street under the assumed names of Harry (37) and Eliza (34), with the same two children, Alice (22) and Fred (17).

Several immediate questions: (1) where was David in 1851, (2) when and where did the couple marry, (3) where were they in the 1881C, and (4) why the assumed names?

The answer to (4) might be a court case in 1870 when David lost his job of 18 years at the GWR, essentially for being drunk in charge of a cart and dangerous driving.

As far as I can ascertain the couple had 6 children: Thomas William (1861-1863), Caroline Martha (1864-1955), Alice Emma Agnes (1865-?), William (1868-1868), Frederick David (1869-?), Annie Florence (1871-1961) and Thomas William (1873-1929). I should add that as Christine 53 pointed out above there was possibly a seventh child, namely William Birch b 5/11/76 son of David Birch of 32 Lisson Street. I can't, however, find his birth on the GRO.

By 1901, David (68) and Louisa (62) are living alone at Church Street, Paddington. David died in 1902 in Paddington, aged 72 according to his death certificate. Louisa died 18 years later aged 75 in 1920 in Marylebone.

Caroline Martha was brough up by her aunt Rhoda in the Cirencester area, She married George GARDNER in 1885. She died as a widow in 1955 in Swansea. The only real mystery is (5) where was she in 1891?

Alice Emma Agnes was living in Paddington with her parents in the 1871C and again in the 1891C. She married Robert MILLS and together they had a child Elizabeth born in 1897. In the 1901C, Robert (58) and Alice (34) were living in Hammersmith with their child. Robert must have died, for in 1912 Alice married Charles IZZARD. There are several questions about Alice: (6) where was she in 1881, (7) when and where did she marry Robert MILLS, (8) where was she in 1911, and (9) when and where did she die?

Frederick David was living in Paddington with his parents in the 1871C and again in the 1891C. He appears to have enlisted in 15th Hussars in 1885, being discharged in 1889. I’m fairly sure that this is indeed him, as he gives David BIRCH of Hereford Street as his NOK. This leaves several unanswered questions: (10) where was he in 1881, (11) why is his aged given as 17 in 1891, and (12) what happened to him after 1891? There is a Frederick MILLS in the 1911C, a licensed victualler living in Goldhawk Road, Hammersmith, which might be him, but I can find no proof.

Annie Florence and her younger brother Thomas William are both missing for the 1881C and 1891C. Annie marries Andrew RUMSEY in 1894 in Marylebone, whilst Thomas marries Martha Rebecca STAIR in 1898 in Paddington. Thomas dies in 1929 in Paddington. Following his death, the 1939 Register shows the three widows, Caroline Martha, Annie Florence and Martha Rebecca, living together in Swansea. Annie Florence dies in Harlesden in 1961. This once again leaves two questions: (13) where were Annie in 1881 and 1891, and (14) where was Thomas in 1881 and 1891?



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Re: Louisa JEWELL
« Reply #23 on: Tuesday 10 August 21 22:05 BST (UK) »
Could Alice and Annie be the inmates at the west London district school in 1881?
Ages are slightly out as Alice is said to be 13 and Annie 6. Birthplaces unknown.
Annie reappears in Westminster at Bell street ragged school in September 1881, daughter of David and Louisa living at 32 Lisson (?) street

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Re: Louisa JEWELL
« Reply #24 on: Wednesday 11 August 21 10:18 BST (UK) »
They might be, except I can't find them on FindMyPast. Could you please supply a census reference.

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Re: Louisa JEWELL
« Reply #25 on: Wednesday 11 August 21 10:23 BST (UK) »
Annie reappears in Westminster at Bell street ragged school in September 1881, daughter of David and Louisa living at 32 Lisson (?) street

There's also this record on Anc*y
   
William Birch Age:   5
Birth 5 Nov 1876
Admission 7 Nov 1881
School:   Bell Street School
Father:   David Birch, 32 Lisson Street

Source
London Metropolitan Archives; London, England; School Admission and Discharge Registers; Reference: LCC/EO/DIV02/BELL/AD/006

Edit to add (as mentioned by glenclare)

Annie Florence Birch
Birth Date:   25 Sep
Admission Date:   24 Oct 1881
School:   Bell Street School
Father:   David Birch Mother:   Louisa
Reference: LCC/EO/DIV02/BELL/AD/002
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Re: Louisa JEWELL
« Reply #26 on: Wednesday 11 August 21 11:09 BST (UK) »

Frederick David was living in Paddington with his parents in the 1871C and again in the 1891C.

He appears to have enlisted in 15th Hussars in 1885, being discharged in 1889. I’m fairly sure that this is indeed him, as he gives David BIRCH of Hereford Street as his NOK.

This leaves several unanswered questions:

(10) where was he in 1881,
(11) why is his aged given as 17 in 1891, and
(12) what happened to him after 1891?

There is a Frederick MILLS in the 1911C, a licensed victualler living in Goldhawk Road, Hammersmith, which might be him, but I can find no proof.


Frederic David Birch
Baptism    20 Jan 1870 Mary Magdalene, Paddington, Westminster
Father:   David Birch, carman Mother:   Louisa abode 55 ????cester St

Is this his birth entry?

BIRCH, FREDERICK  DAVID   mmn JOEL
GRO Reference: 1869  S Quarter in KENSINGTON  Volume 01A  Page 17

Frederick David Birch
Enlistment Age:   15
Birth Place:   Gloucestershire
Enlistment Year:   1885
Regiment:   15th The Kings Hussars
Regimental Number:   2256
Attestation Paper:   Yes
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17 Hereford St.,
David Birch   62 Paddington, Carman
Louisa Birch   50 ditto
Fred Birch   17 ditto fishmongers Assistant
Alice Birch    22 ditto, dressmaker
1891 Piece:   99 Folio:   119 Page   54

Is this him in 1881?

Fredk.David Birch Age:   10
Relationship to Head:   Inmate
born:   Paddington, Middlesex
Street Address:   "Middlesex County Industrial School" Feltham
Occupation:   Detained Under Industrial Schools Acts
Piece:   1327 Folio:   139 Page Number:   35

There is also this 1881 census entry his father also David mother Lucy  :-\

171 Lever St
David Birch 34 St lukes, carman
Lucy Birch   30 Chelsea
David Birch   10
Charles Birch   4
Robert Birch   
Piece:   362 Folio:   102 Page Number:   4
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