Victoria, Australia censuses

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Andrew Smith ( son ) b 1850 married Margaret Isabella White 1873 Victoria died 1931 Ballarat Victoria

 

Once again I find the online tree information to be incorrect, or in this case, quite incomplete.

Here is Andrew's marriage-

SMITH  Andrew (born DUNDEE)
WHITE Margaret Isabella (born Scotland)
Year 1873
Reg Number 771

She died-

SMITH Margaret Gabella (sic)
Father White Adam
Mother Euphemia HUME
Age 26
Birth Place U
Year 1880
Reg 2315

Death notice for Margaret
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/5975131

The Argus  Thursday 19 February 1880

Andrew remarried a woman also surnamed  WHITE ( perhaps by previous marriage), but nee GRIEVE.

SMITH Andrew  (Born DUNDEE)
WHITE Elizabeth (Born SCOT)
Year 1886
Reg Number 6352

Marriage announcement for Andrew Smith junior.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/63407416

Portland Guardian  Monday 6 December 1886


There were children to this marriage which can be listed if of interest.

Here is the death of Elizabeth-

SMITH Elizth
Father GRIEVE Adam
Mother Elizth  JACKSON
Death Place BALLT
Age 87
Year 1940
Reg Number 18604

Here is the death of Andrew SMITH-

SMITH Andrew
Father Unknown
Mother Unknown  Unknown
Death Place BALLT
Age 82
Year 1931
Reg Number 7683

Andrew SMITH is interred Ballarat Old Cemetery
Location D 1. 2. 5.
Register Details-Aged 82. Occ Clerk. Address 115 Raglan Street, Ballarat. Date 6/7/1931.

With him at that location is
Elizabeth SMITH. Aged 87. Widow. Date 26/7/1940

One of their children is at the same location. This is his death

SMITH Russell Rutherford
Father Andrew
Mother Elizabeth  GRIEVE
Death Place BALL
Age69
Year 1956
Reg  22641

Sue

[anne_p]

Working back from the marriage of Andrew Smith and Margaret Isabella White provided by Sue

Margaret Isabella White was born 29 Apr 1852 in Burntisland, Fife, Scotland
Her parents Adam White and Euphemia Hume were married in North Leith, Midlothian, Scotland on 18 Aug 1851

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Interesting


First marriage of Elizabeth GRIEVE , the second wife of Andrew which gave her the surname WHITE at the marriage.

WHITE Thomas Orrell (Born SCOTLAND)
GRIEVE Elizabeth
Year 1881
Reg Number: 3781

And his death-


WHITE Thomas Orrell
Father Adam
Mother Euphemia HUME
Age 31
Death Place PORTD
Year 1884
Reg Number 5710

So Andrew's second wife's (Elizabeth's) deceased husband was a brother to Andrew's first wife.
Sue

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I wonder if this is the family and Ann is entered as Agnes?
1851: 22 Dallfield Walk, Dundee
   
Name   Age
Andrew Smith   38 b Scone, Perthshire ---Cabinet Maker
Agnes Smith   37 wife b St Paul, Perthshire
Jean Smith    31 Daughter   b St Pauls Perthshire... Is this age11 ??
Ann Smith            3 Daughter b St Pauls, Perthshire     
Andrew Smith   2 Son, b Perthshire

In light of the above, I think this is the death of little George

SMITH George
Father Andrew
Mother Agnes UNKNOWN
Age 16M
Birth Place PORT
Year 1861
Reg Number 9458

Sue

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Catherine ( Kate ) Smith b 1855 Dundee married Franz Joseph Tscheshlock Zimmerman she died 1939 Melton Victoria
Information from online tree
 Rosie

There is no record or other information I can locate to indicate Catherine SMITH married Franz Joseph Tscheshlock ZIMMERMAN.

He married
ZIMMERMAN-TUCKER.-On the 10th   July, at St.Lukes Church, Emerald Hill, by the Rev. R. B. Dickinson, FRANZ JOSEPH TSCHESHLOCK ZIMMERMAN, of Portland, to MARY ELIZA WHENT TUCKER, youngest daughter of John Samuel Tucker, contractor, of Albert Park from Padding- ton. London, late of Stawell and Portland.
 
Portland Guardian   Thursday 19 July 1883

This couple had children and Mary Eliza Whent ZIMMERMAN died in 1905 aged 46 at South Melbourne. Parents Jno Saml TUCKER and Rosanna FULTON.(#13656)

Franz Joseph Tscheshlock ZIMMERMAN died.

ZIMMERMAN Franz Joseph Tscheshlock
Father Unknown
Mother Ann Chaplin GURR
Age 56
Death Place Pran
Year 1915
Reg. 15027

His will leaves all to sons and relatives and there is no record of another marriage for him in Victoria.
Sue

[anne_p]

Good work Sue,
I had an idea that Adam White and Euphemia Hume would be the parents of Elizabeth Grieve's 1st husband.
Had planned to look for this today as I was too tired last night.

Well Done

[cando]

I was beginning to wonder if Andrew snr had been transported

FYI The Colony of Victoria was not a penal colony .

I have duplicated the shipping information and added an explanation....

Index to Assisted Immigrants arriving Colony of Victoria at Public Records Office of Victoria [A subscription only website has copied these records to their website and I have found errors with the names of the ships simply because not all pages have been transcribed and imaged   Always pays to search the original source of any records]  The OITHONA left Plymouth on 21 Oct 1854.
http://prov.vic.gov.au/index_search?searchid=24

Your family of interest were not assisted immigrants and paid their own fares however their names appear on the nominal and disposal list which you have viewed on an online subscription website.

Arrival of the OITHONA at Portland.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article4804087

http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/aust1850s.shtml
See column headings on the website.
Oithona    -    851    21 Oct    30 Jan    101    Lloyd Herbert    108    133    41    62    344    1    -    3    3    7

If Catherine wasn't baptised prior to the family emigrating, perhaps she was baptised at the Scots Presbyterian Church, Tyers Street, Portland which was built c1850.

Death posted by Sue reply#21 ....see info below on headstone.
SMITH George
Father Andrew  Mother Agnes UNKNOWN
1861 Born Portland 16 Months  Reg#9458

Interred at Portland North Cemetery - pm your email address if you would like a photo of this headstone

It certainly looks like them on the the 1851 census in Dundee too. No wonder I couldn't find them. From the birth places of their 3 children on the 1851 census, it seems they were should have still been in Perth in 1841, though there is a big gap between the births of Jean/Jane and Ann.

SMITH, George    Jul 1860 8 Dec 1861  1/5  Son of Andrew & Ann, Portland
SMITH John       Son of Andrew & Ann, Portland. Died in Dundee, Scotland.
SMITH Margaret       Daughter of Andrew & Ann, Portland. Died in Dundee, Scotland.
SMITH William        Son of Andrew & Ann, Portland. Died in Dundee, Scotland.   

Perhaps a search on Scotlands People or familysearch will find their baptisms.

Although Andrew SMITH is a commonly occurring name, this snippet of a person of the same name at Portland  in Mar 1855 claiming wages owed to him, may be of interest to you.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article71572155

Electoral Roll 1856
Portland
Name and surname of voter
SMITH Andrew 
Place of Abode and Occupation
Otway Street  Joiner   
Nature of Qualification
Household 
Description or Further Particulars
Otway Street   C J ******* [this is the property owner's name and illegible]

Portland Directory 1870  Andrew SMITH Tyers Street Cabinetmaker
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article65423607

1873 Andrew SMITH Jnr appointed auditor for Presbyterian Church
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article65429466

1875 Andrew SMITH's tender to erect a pantry at the Asylum, for the sum of £13 15s, in accordance with the specifications, was accepted.  [Possibly his son]
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article64747358

Just a comment....why do chatters bother with online trees that are invariably full of errors, not referenced with sources, copied and pasted over and over and often border on the realms of genealogical fantasy.  We have excellent resources in Australia...let's use them.  Many of us have our own resources so just ask for help.     Try familysearch for pre 1855 events in Scotland.

Cando