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Offline liznjohn2011

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Re: Possible Scottish Marriage
« Reply #18 on: Friday 04 August 17 16:19 BST (UK) »
Just an update..
Spent a full day at Berwick records office the other day, still no marriage record found for my James and Eleanor.
We checked online and in records held at Berwick, without any luck.. being advised that sadly sounds like it was an irregular marriage.
Don't think il ever find where they married..   :(
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Re: Possible Scottish Marriage
« Reply #19 on: Saturday 05 August 17 06:09 BST (UK) »
The only hope (joke) I can give you is there is a JOHN/MARY Hope Baptising Children in Tweedmouth in the right time frame.
John is a Seaman.

ALEXANDER 12 June 1814***
ELIZABETH 2 Nov 1817
SARAH 2 Nov 1817 (Twins)
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1861 Census Alexandr* Hope says he is born c 1815 Tweedmouth
1851 c 1815 Berwickshire
1881 c 1815 Tweedmouth

1841 Census
All Saints, Northumberland
John Hope, 50, Mariner
Mary Hope, 50
Mary Hope, 19
John Hope, 14
All down as not born in County.

1851 Census
Wallsend, Northumberland
James ENGLISH, 30, Head, Mar, Coal Minner, born Wallsend
SARAH English, 33, Wife, Mar, born N Berwick on Tweed*****
James English, 2, Son, born Wallsend
Mary Ann English, 11 mths
Mary HOPE, 62, Mother, Widow, born Berwick, Northumberland***
Mary Ann Hope, 8, Neice, Scholar, born Newcastle

James ENGLISH/Sarah HOPE married 11 Nov 1847 Heworth, Durham

OOH 1881 Census James TRAINER age 22 (1859), Nephew* is living with the English Family.

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Re: Possible Scottish Marriage
« Reply #20 on: Saturday 05 August 17 06:38 BST (UK) »
So even though we cant find a Baptism for Eleanor Hope or a marriage for her to James Nelson Trainer I definitely think going by the Census I posted her Parents would be JOHN/MARY Hope.

Marriage;
11 November 1847, Heworth, Durham
Sarah HOPE, Single, Father JOHN
James ENGLISH, Single, Father JAMES
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Possible Baptism for MARY ANN Hope, Neice on 1851 Census;
13 Feb 1843, All Saints, Newcastle upon Tyne
Mother MARY Ann Hope, Spinster
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Likely Mary age 19 on 1841 Census with John/Mary Hope

Likely Burial;
JOHN Hope, 26 July 1843, All Saints, Newcastle upon Tyne
Age 55
Abode Heaths Court
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Re: Possible Scottish Marriage
« Reply #21 on: Saturday 05 August 17 07:17 BST (UK) »
1861 Mary Hope is still with the English Family born c 1790 Long Benton, Northumberland.
Down as Mother in Law to James English.
Still with them in 1871 born c 1790 Northd, Sweedmonth(sic)
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Re: Possible Scottish Marriage
« Reply #22 on: Saturday 05 August 17 22:40 BST (UK) »
ooo thank you Trish, yes i did have Mary Hope living in with the English family, and the James trainer living with English, what i didnt know though was Elizabeth and Sarah Hope as twins, thank you for that. and for another pair or eyes to confirm im with the right family.
still hoping something, somewhere might eventually show up for their marraige

liz


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Re: Possible Scottish Marriage
« Reply #23 on: Sunday 06 August 17 13:00 BST (UK) »
It is possible they never married. It happened more often than we would think :)
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Re: Possible Scottish Marriage
« Reply #24 on: Sunday 06 August 17 13:23 BST (UK) »
not 100% sure

but i have seen a walking stick which was presented as a golden wedding gift (inscribed with the date), also a newspaper entry for the 50th wedding anniversary, as both James and Eleanor Trainer were given numerous gifts from different people (the corporation, also the Good Templars, aswel as family)

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