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Re: Captain John Hood, Ship "Brothers" London-Selby-York (possibly from Scarborough)
« Reply #81 on: Thursday 04 October 18 04:20 BST (UK) »
There should be documents somewhere   ??? for ships on the Tyne 1780 to 1790 for shipping movement arrival/depart from/to ports, docking dates, ship manifests and crews. (Similar to ones you have found for Hull)

When your sat on a definite (one off baptism only +/- 10 years for a dad John Hood ) George son of John Hood baptism Oct 1786 Gateshead on the river Tyne
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Re: Captain John Hood, Ship "Two Brothers" London-Selby-York (born Scarborough)
« Reply #82 on: Thursday 04 October 18 18:13 BST (UK) »
1747 - 1860
"All surviving muster rolls and crew agreements for British-registered merchant ships up to and
including 1860 are held by the National Archives (BT 98). Muster rolls exist for 1747-1851, but prior  to 1800, only those for Dartmouth, Liverpool, Plymouth, Shields and Scarborough have survived.
The earliest crew list for Liverpool is dated 1772 with crew agreements available from 1835. There is no name index of either vessels or persons at present.
"

Hull History Centre, holds Ships Muster Rolls from 1747 onward, sailing to and from Hull. If you know the Vessel name, Hull H.C., has a set of Indexes (for 18th Century).

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Unfortunately, those seen in TNA BT 98, dates 1779 to 1783 (spread over 3 Vols.) are incomplete and John Hood sailing from Shields and Northern Ports could not be found.

BT 98/130 Muster Roll Northern Ports Shields &c. 1779 - 1782 Folio 95 Three Brothers 7th March 1780, Joshua Hudd.



Morland Turner (nee Maudland Hood) Descent information (attached), when first daughter Elizabeth Turner was baptised at Selby in April 1795.

Looked at the actual Scarborough baptism record of 24 Dec 1775, [born] 15 August and Maudland Hood was the Daughter of John and Eliz: Hood.

John Hood Abode Selby, aged 82, when he was buried at Selby 4th April 1819, was likely baptised Scarborough on 22 March 1738 with Father George Hood.
[Hull Muster Rolls confirm John Hood, Abode Selby was born Scarborough]

An unchecked Scarborough bapt of William Hood 1741 gives parentage as George Hood & Maudlin.
An unchecked Scarborough bapt of Richard Hood 1745 gives parentage as George Hood & Magdalene
[Maudlin at marriage].


A 1731 York Marriage Bond (now seen) gives me George Hood and Maudlin Spencer of Scarborough.


Hello All

Thanks dobfarm, but trying to concentrate on John Hood of Selby, Mariner, born Scarborough, but I'm not ruling out John Hood, Mariner to Elizabeth Gibson, marriage, also a relative might help a Bankrupt relation. Also, their Daughter Elizabeth Hood marrying William Cook.

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Fortunately, John Hood of Selby, born Scarborough was a Master Mariner of his Vessels sailing mainly from Hull early 1770s to 1790 and the vessel names are also listed in the newspaper, with the Masters surnames.

A Master (and crew) can be found fairly quickly at Hull, if you know their Vessel name, as they have a separate set of Indexes on their Hull Searchroom shelves, which gives the Muster Roll Volumes and Folio numbers for Vessels by Vessel name only and which usually confirm the Master also in their Indexes.

Scarborough Muster Rolls are the next step.

Ships to the Greenland Fishery
It is possible now, that there is no Greenland connection to my Hoods, although ships were sailing to Greenland from Whitby from mid 18th Century and a John Hood was on a ship from Greenland in 1789. I have put this information on, as it may be useful for others.

Scottish
However, my Father was quite definite we have Scottish descent somewhere in our ancestry.

The name Maudlin is of Scottish origin and the names George, John, William and Richard are all names appearing in the Scarborough Hoods and also names of the Sons of my George Hood.

Maudin / Maudlin is also in the Scottish National Dictionary ...
http://www.dsl.ac.uk/entry/snd/maudin

George Hood of Selby said in his 1841 Return he was born Yorkshire. The absence of a local baptism when John Hood of Selby, Mariner, had association with Nonconformists and also Presbyterian and Wesleyan records missing, may simply mean no Selby baptism record.

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Awaiting two Wills ordered, of two Vessel owners (that John Hood of Selby was sailing) and requested George Hood's signature in a Barnard Castle document, for comparison.

Mark
"George HOOD of Selby" Before 1812?

Born about 1785 (Yorkshire per 1841 Census)

Married Sarah RUSSELL at Selby 1815 newspaper - "both of that place".

Buried in the Quaker Burial Ground at Selby as "Not in Membership" in 1845, aged 60 years.

George HOOD of Selby was refused Membership of the Quakers in 1836.

Elected Overseer of the Poor of Selby in 1838.

Had both known (Selby) and unknown (some not stated 1846) property interests.

Possible (but unknown) links to COOK and/or PEARSON names.

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Re: Captain John Hood, Ship "Two Brothers" London-Selby-York (born Scarborough)
« Reply #83 on: Saturday 06 October 18 06:24 BST (UK) »
1747 - 1860
"All surviving muster rolls and crew agreements for British-registered merchant ships up to and
including 1860 are held by the National Archives (BT 98). Muster rolls exist for 1747-1851, but prior  to 1800, only those for Dartmouth, Liverpool, Plymouth, Shields and Scarborough have survived.
The earliest crew list for Liverpool is dated 1772 with crew agreements available from 1835. There is no name index of either vessels or persons at present.
"

Hull History Centre, holds Ships Muster Rolls from 1747 onward, sailing to and from Hull. If you know the Vessel name, Hull H.C., has a set of Indexes (for 18th Century).

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Unfortunately, those seen in TNA BT 98, dates 1779 to 1783 (spread over 3 Vols.) are incomplete and John Hood sailing from Shields and Northern Ports could not be found.

BT 98/130 Muster Roll Northern Ports Shields &c. 1779 - 1782 Folio 95 Three Brothers 7th March 1780, Joshua Hudd.



Morland Turner (nee Maudland Hood) Descent information (attached), when first daughter Elizabeth Turner was baptised at Selby in April 1795.

Looked at the actual Scarborough baptism record of 24 Dec 1775, [born] 15 August and Maudland Hood was the Daughter of John and Eliz: Hood.

John Hood Abode Selby, aged 82, when he was buried at Selby 4th April 1819, was likely baptised Scarborough on 22 March 1738 with Father George Hood.
[Hull Muster Rolls confirm John Hood, Abode Selby was born Scarborough]

An unchecked Scarborough bapt of William Hood 1741 gives parentage as George Hood & Maudlin.
An unchecked Scarborough bapt of Richard Hood 1745 gives parentage as George Hood & Magdalene
[Maudlin at marriage].


A 1731 York Marriage Bond (now seen) gives me George Hood and Maudlin Spencer of Scarborough.


Hello All

Thanks dobfarm, but trying to concentrate on John Hood of Selby, Mariner, born Scarborough, but I'm not ruling out John Hood, Mariner to Elizabeth Gibson, marriage, also a relative might help a Bankrupt relation. Also, their Daughter Elizabeth Hood marrying William Cook.

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Fortunately, John Hood of Selby, born Scarborough was a Master Mariner of his Vessels sailing mainly from Hull early 1770s to 1790 and the vessel names are also listed in the newspaper, with the Masters surnames.

A Master (and crew) can be found fairly quickly at Hull, if you know their Vessel name, as they have a separate set of Indexes on their Hull Searchroom shelves, which gives the Muster Roll Volumes and Folio numbers for Vessels by Vessel name only and which usually confirm the Master also in their Indexes.

Scarborough Muster Rolls are the next step.

Ships to the Greenland Fishery
It is possible now, that there is no Greenland connection to my Hoods, although ships were sailing to Greenland from Whitby from mid 18th Century and a John Hood was on a ship from Greenland in 1789. I have put this information on, as it may be useful for others.

Scottish
However, my Father was quite definite we have Scottish descent somewhere in our ancestry.

The name Maudlin is of Scottish origin and the names George, John, William and Richard are all names appearing in the Scarborough Hoods and also names of the Sons of my George Hood.

Maudin / Maudlin is also in the Scottish National Dictionary ...
http://www.dsl.ac.uk/entry/snd/maudin

George Hood of Selby said in his 1841 Return he was born Yorkshire. The absence of a local baptism when John Hood of Selby, Mariner, had association with Nonconformists and also Presbyterian and Wesleyan records missing, may simply mean no Selby baptism record.-------------------(possible)

Current Actions
Awaiting two Wills ordered, of two Vessel owners (that John Hood of Selby was sailing) and requested George Hood's signature in a Barnard Castle document, for comparison.

Mark


Hi Mark,

My maternal granddad was baptized in ( not Wales the country) Wales village near Rotherham Yorkshire  Jan 1868 to his parents who married in the same Wales village church  June 1867 
In all census post 1871 c - granddad said he was born in Bolsover Derbyshire.

The mystery solved itself in the 1939 register - when granddad put his date of birth down a 7th Nov 1866 Bolsover ( Birth event un-registered with GRO or no birth certificate) - obviously born illegitimate to my Gt grandmother in Derbyshire and baptized in Yorkshire.
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Thus if George Hood said he was born in Yorkshire  he could have been baptized in Durham (Gateshead)

Until George Hood baptism 1st Oct 1786 in Gateshead is proved to have had a life as another George Hood, may have married or buried as an infant, or buried under the age of 21 years as a youth or was buried as an adult post 1807 -its going to be difficult to proved he was not your George Hood who married 1815 age 28 to Sarah Russel of Selby

Strong evidence is the father of George Hood baptized 1st Oct 1786 Gateshead being a John Hood had not baptized any other children in Gateshead +/- 20 years of 1786
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In my opinion the marriage residence is not always the place of birth. Never forget Workhouse and overseers accounts records of birth

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Re: Captain John Hood, Ship "Two Brothers" London-Selby-York (Born Scarborough)
« Reply #84 on: Wednesday 10 October 18 09:32 BST (UK) »
Hello All

Thanks dobfarm, a few things uncovered by Rootschatters with Laidler alias Laidlaw suggests some links between Newcastle and Tynemouth to the main Hoods at Cloughton, near Scarborough.

HOODs & HORD Scarborough Muster Rolls 1747 to 1750 (in the First 50 of about 300 Rolls, refs are photo numbers)
(HURD and HEAD are probably not HOOD, but have seen HURD spelt for HOOD)

Last column title - Name of Ship, and Master, and what Voyage each Man last performed.

0849 Harrison HORD, Serv't, 17, Born Scarbro', Abode Scarbro' of the Prosperous, Wm Arnald, Coasting, 29th September 1747.

0866 John HUDD, Seaman, 55, Born Scarbro', Abode Scarbro'. of the Fr'as Goodwill, Wm Allison, Coasting, 29 Sept 1747.

0866 Francis HURD, Seaman, 28, Born Homsley, Abode Scarbro' of the Mary & Rebecca, Wm Harrison, Coast. 29 Sept 1747.

0880 William GARBUT, Master, 30, Born Scarbro', Abode Scarbro', Providence Wm Garbut London (Voyage last performed), 28th January 174? [last figure of year, off image]

0880 William HEAD, Sailor, 19, Birth Skregnham, Abode Skregnham, as above ship.

0887 Harrison HORD, Seaman, 17, Born Scarbro', Abode Scarbro', Willson Math. Duesbery Riga [looks to say Riga, place of].

0889 John HUDD, Mate, 24, Born Scarbro', Abode Scarbro', Lucitania, Fra. Leak, Coasting.

0892 Cumby HOOD, Mate, 30, Born Boston, Abode Boston, Tho: & Mary, M: Rymen [or M: Rymer, next word in fold Neulry[?], 29 Sept 1747.

0895 Benj: HURD, Mate, 29, Born Muston, Abode Scarbro' Exchange, Jno Bean Coasting, 5 Mar 1747.

Mark
"George HOOD of Selby" Before 1812?

Born about 1785 (Yorkshire per 1841 Census)

Married Sarah RUSSELL at Selby 1815 newspaper - "both of that place".

Buried in the Quaker Burial Ground at Selby as "Not in Membership" in 1845, aged 60 years.

George HOOD of Selby was refused Membership of the Quakers in 1836.

Elected Overseer of the Poor of Selby in 1838.

Had both known (Selby) and unknown (some not stated 1846) property interests.

Possible (but unknown) links to COOK and/or PEARSON names.

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Re: Captain John Hood, Ship "Brothers" London-Selby-York (possibly from Scarborough)
« Reply #85 on: Wednesday 10 October 18 16:12 BST (UK) »
Hi Mark

Back to obvious basics -with 2 seeming separately religious influenced periods of his married life post 1815

Going back to George Hood of Selby married aged 28 (est born 1787 +/- 1 year) to Sarah Russel in Selby Anglican abbey, with all his children baptized Anglican, whom 2 of the boy sons James and William married Quaker wife's. George Hood died age 60 ( est born 1785) Sept 1845 in Selby buried in Selby Quaker burial ground as a non Quaker member - his wife Sarah Hood (nee Russel) died in 1879 aged 86 in Selby with Quaker daughter in law being the person at her death and also buried in the Quaker Selby burial ground.

Looking at the religious picture above George's early married life was Anglican assumed by bringing up a family of children and kept baptizing them in the Anglican church/abbey in Selby over many years . George was a pillar of the community as a tradesman & businessman in Selby through them early married years.

Thus the big question -was George baptized an Anglican (big thing them days)

Was George named in doc's as involved in parish activities in any chest records 1815 to 1830 ( Held at they abbey ) in years 1815 to say early years to 1830- then after later marriage years 1831 to 1845 with ' daughter('s) in law' with Quaker influence in his family



Other than by contacts/friends/ or association to third parties: there seems to be no record of George been linked as of him practicing in nonconformity of other religions apart from his Quaker daughter in law's influence on his religious beliefs in his life or his family members

 
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Re: Captain John Hood, Ship "Two Brothers" London-Selby-York (born Scarborough)
« Reply #86 on: Wednesday 10 October 18 21:39 BST (UK) »
Hello All

Thanks dobfarm, but it is George Hood's Father or Mother who needs to be the Nonconformist, or John Hood has swung to Nonconformity, for George's Baptism to be missing.



Strong suggestion John Hood's Landlord, John Turner was Presbyterian ...

Around the year George Hood was born (1784 to 1787), John Hood of Selby, was living in the house belonging to Jno TURNER who seems to be linked to the [Presbyterian] Chapel. Because both the Jno Turner entries disappear in the Selby Land Tax together in 1790, when Turner's house changed ownership to John Spencer and also the Occupation of the Chapel changes hands away from Jno Turner in 1790.

If we then go backward on that Chapel (in the Selby Land Tax) to 1781, we see that Chapel was Presbyterian.



Or even John Hood's association 1781 to 1786 with his Vessel owner John DEAN of Gainsborough, who owned the Calvinist Chapel?



We also can't find a Church Marriage for John Hood of Selby, Mariner, either.



Nonconformism took people away from Church. No Selby Baptisms survive for Independent ; Wesleyan or Presbyterian for the Birth period of George Hood.


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This Cumby HOOD in the Scarborough Musters, he isn't on Family Search. So perhaps another HOOD apparently AWOL.


Mark
"George HOOD of Selby" Before 1812?

Born about 1785 (Yorkshire per 1841 Census)

Married Sarah RUSSELL at Selby 1815 newspaper - "both of that place".

Buried in the Quaker Burial Ground at Selby as "Not in Membership" in 1845, aged 60 years.

George HOOD of Selby was refused Membership of the Quakers in 1836.

Elected Overseer of the Poor of Selby in 1838.

Had both known (Selby) and unknown (some not stated 1846) property interests.

Possible (but unknown) links to COOK and/or PEARSON names.

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Re: Captain John Hood, Ship "Brothers" London-Selby-York (possibly from Scarborough)
« Reply #87 on: Wednesday 10 October 18 22:26 BST (UK) »
Thanks for your reply

George could have been Anglican baptized as an adult (re-baptized) to support his deep establishment involvement in Selby parish abbey/town affairs

The question that arise are:

Qu-1) Was George a fully fledged baptized Anglican of another parish who married Sarah Russel of Selby Anglican parish.

(If George was involved in Abbey/church/parish affairs in the Selby parish chest records (being an estabished trade businessman in Selby parish seems likely) - this would indicate this but if not ? then it would indicated Qu - 2 as below ?)

Qu-2) Was George from parents of nonconformist faith (Parent beliefs ) who was baptized (George did not follow his parents belief as he grew up  ? ) in nonconformity in that religion but not practising it, who married Sarah Russel of an Anglican faith who followed her wishes as to the their children's religious  teaching and baptisms - Yet! very unusual for children not to follow their father religious faith of his church teaching them years in history.


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Re: Captain John Hood, Ship "Two Brothers" London-Selby-York (born Scarborough)
« Reply #88 on: Friday 12 October 18 12:16 BST (UK) »
Hello All

Thank you dobfarm.

Example of a Scarborough, Yorkshire Muster Roll ...

An Ode for a Hood of Boston
Especially for doubting Claire,
who's curious to see the Roll,
I can't find Cumby Hood anywhere,
but he is on the Scroll  ;D

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On a serious note for the main subscription sites ... if you could transcribe all these 18th Century Muster Rolls of various Ports, so that they were searchable online, which survive at various Museums, Archives and places around the UK, they would probably help us a great deal!


TNA, Kew Customs & Excise records - CUST 91/111 Muster roll of sailors of ships registered at Scarborough 1747 to 1750.
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C2262522

Mark
"George HOOD of Selby" Before 1812?

Born about 1785 (Yorkshire per 1841 Census)

Married Sarah RUSSELL at Selby 1815 newspaper - "both of that place".

Buried in the Quaker Burial Ground at Selby as "Not in Membership" in 1845, aged 60 years.

George HOOD of Selby was refused Membership of the Quakers in 1836.

Elected Overseer of the Poor of Selby in 1838.

Had both known (Selby) and unknown (some not stated 1846) property interests.

Possible (but unknown) links to COOK and/or PEARSON names.

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Re: Captain John Hood, Ship "Brothers" London-Selby-York (possibly from Scarborough)
« Reply #89 on: Friday 12 October 18 13:48 BST (UK) »
Afternoon Smartypants and dobfarm ;)

Cumb(e)y Hood born 14 Aug 1717 Boston Massachusetts son of Joseph Hood and Rebecca Cumbey.

In American biographies Cumbey was captain of a vessel and lost at sea.

He married twice in Boston Mass, firstly in 1739 to Lettice Begood and secondly Sarah Nolans daughter of a ‘gent’ from Wales.

Claire
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